Indirect complement or postmodifier in NP
In the sentence
He is the most talented artist (that) I know,
what is (that) I know in terms of function – an indirect complement, licensed by most, or simply a common postmodifier? Why?
Similarly, what is in the world in
the most talented artist in the world?
modifiers complements parsing
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In the sentence
He is the most talented artist (that) I know,
what is (that) I know in terms of function – an indirect complement, licensed by most, or simply a common postmodifier? Why?
Similarly, what is in the world in
the most talented artist in the world?
modifiers complements parsing
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asked 16 hours ago
Hannah
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I've edited in quote marks, because the italics on their own were a bit unclear.
– marcellothearcane
15 hours ago
@Hannah "(that) I know" is a relative clause modifying "artist". In your other example, the PP "in the world" is complement of "artist".
– BillJ
3 hours ago
@BillJ Would it be possible for you develop this in an actual answer? I'd be very interested to know more about the way in which the PP is a complement, and also your thoughts on the fact that the relative clause "(that) I know" seems to connect with the head noun in a whole different way in the original example, compared to the way it connects in "the artist that I know", where it's clearly and indisputably a postmodifier. Thank you!
– Hannah
1 hour ago
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In the sentence
He is the most talented artist (that) I know,
what is (that) I know in terms of function – an indirect complement, licensed by most, or simply a common postmodifier? Why?
Similarly, what is in the world in
the most talented artist in the world?
modifiers complements parsing
edited 15 hours ago
marcellothearcane
4,3771640
asked 16 hours ago
Hannah
616
In the sentence
He is the most talented artist (that) I know,
what is (that) I know in terms of function – an indirect complement, licensed by most, or simply a common postmodifier? Why?
Similarly, what is in the world in
the most talented artist in the world?
modifiers complements parsing
modifiers complements parsing
edited 15 hours ago
marcellothearcane
4,3771640
asked 16 hours ago
Hannah
616
edited 15 hours ago
marcellothearcane
4,3771640
asked 16 hours ago
Hannah
616
edited 15 hours ago
marcellothearcane
4,3771640
edited 15 hours ago
marcellothearcane
4,3771640
edited 15 hours ago
marcellothearcane
4,3771640
4,3771640
asked 16 hours ago
Hannah
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asked 16 hours ago
Hannah
616
asked 16 hours ago
Hannah
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616
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I've edited in quote marks, because the italics on their own were a bit unclear.
– marcellothearcane
15 hours ago
@Hannah "(that) I know" is a relative clause modifying "artist". In your other example, the PP "in the world" is complement of "artist".
– BillJ
3 hours ago
@BillJ Would it be possible for you develop this in an actual answer? I'd be very interested to know more about the way in which the PP is a complement, and also your thoughts on the fact that the relative clause "(that) I know" seems to connect with the head noun in a whole different way in the original example, compared to the way it connects in "the artist that I know", where it's clearly and indisputably a postmodifier. Thank you!
– Hannah
1 hour ago
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I've edited in quote marks, because the italics on their own were a bit unclear.
– marcellothearcane
15 hours ago
@Hannah "(that) I know" is a relative clause modifying "artist". In your other example, the PP "in the world" is complement of "artist".
– BillJ
3 hours ago
@BillJ Would it be possible for you develop this in an actual answer? I'd be very interested to know more about the way in which the PP is a complement, and also your thoughts on the fact that the relative clause "(that) I know" seems to connect with the head noun in a whole different way in the original example, compared to the way it connects in "the artist that I know", where it's clearly and indisputably a postmodifier. Thank you!
– Hannah
1 hour ago
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I've edited in quote marks, because the italics on their own were a bit unclear.
– marcellothearcane
15 hours ago
I've edited in quote marks, because the italics on their own were a bit unclear.
– marcellothearcane
15 hours ago
@Hannah "(that) I know" is a relative clause modifying "artist". In your other example, the PP "in the world" is complement of "artist".
– BillJ
3 hours ago
@Hannah "(that) I know" is a relative clause modifying "artist". In your other example, the PP "in the world" is complement of "artist".
– BillJ
3 hours ago
@BillJ Would it be possible for you develop this in an actual answer? I'd be very interested to know more about the way in which the PP is a complement, and also your thoughts on the fact that the relative clause "(that) I know" seems to connect with the head noun in a whole different way in the original example, compared to the way it connects in "the artist that I know", where it's clearly and indisputably a postmodifier. Thank you!
– Hannah
1 hour ago
@BillJ Would it be possible for you develop this in an actual answer? I'd be very interested to know more about the way in which the PP is a complement, and also your thoughts on the fact that the relative clause "(that) I know" seems to connect with the head noun in a whole different way in the original example, compared to the way it connects in "the artist that I know", where it's clearly and indisputably a postmodifier. Thank you!
– Hannah
1 hour ago
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Both of these are simply the Superlative construction.
Most is a superlative marker and takes a superlative construction. One of the things required for the construction is a range for comparison, which can be expressed as a relative clause modifying the superlative NP:
- He is the tallest boy who is in the class.
Of course, such relative clauses are often trimmed down to prepositional phrases by Whiz Deletion:
- He is the tallest boy in the class.
In your terms, yes, it's a post-modifier and it's licensed by most (or by -est).
If you called it an indirect complement I'd be puzzled, but that's nothing new.
I don't know what you'd call a reduced relative clause.
It may be a heretical notion, though it's not a new one.
answered 13 hours ago
John Lawler
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Thanks @John Lawler! I'm confused by the part about being licensed, but still being a modifier though... and also, if it is indeed licensed by "most", it has to be indirect, right? So your answer seems a little bit contradictory to me. I'm sure it's just me being a bit slow though, so if you could clarify, I'd be very grateful.
– Hannah
3 hours ago
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Both of these are simply the Superlative construction.
Most is a superlative marker and takes a superlative construction. One of the things required for the construction is a range for comparison, which can be expressed as a relative clause modifying the superlative NP:
- He is the tallest boy who is in the class.
Of course, such relative clauses are often trimmed down to prepositional phrases by Whiz Deletion:
- He is the tallest boy in the class.
In your terms, yes, it's a post-modifier and it's licensed by most (or by -est).
If you called it an indirect complement I'd be puzzled, but that's nothing new.
I don't know what you'd call a reduced relative clause.
It may be a heretical notion, though it's not a new one.
answered 13 hours ago
John Lawler
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Thanks @John Lawler! I'm confused by the part about being licensed, but still being a modifier though... and also, if it is indeed licensed by "most", it has to be indirect, right? So your answer seems a little bit contradictory to me. I'm sure it's just me being a bit slow though, so if you could clarify, I'd be very grateful.
– Hannah
3 hours ago
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Both of these are simply the Superlative construction.
Most is a superlative marker and takes a superlative construction. One of the things required for the construction is a range for comparison, which can be expressed as a relative clause modifying the superlative NP:
- He is the tallest boy who is in the class.
Of course, such relative clauses are often trimmed down to prepositional phrases by Whiz Deletion:
- He is the tallest boy in the class.
In your terms, yes, it's a post-modifier and it's licensed by most (or by -est).
If you called it an indirect complement I'd be puzzled, but that's nothing new.
I don't know what you'd call a reduced relative clause.
It may be a heretical notion, though it's not a new one.
answered 13 hours ago
John Lawler
84k6116328
Thanks @John Lawler! I'm confused by the part about being licensed, but still being a modifier though... and also, if it is indeed licensed by "most", it has to be indirect, right? So your answer seems a little bit contradictory to me. I'm sure it's just me being a bit slow though, so if you could clarify, I'd be very grateful.
– Hannah
3 hours ago
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Both of these are simply the Superlative construction.
Most is a superlative marker and takes a superlative construction. One of the things required for the construction is a range for comparison, which can be expressed as a relative clause modifying the superlative NP:
- He is the tallest boy who is in the class.
Of course, such relative clauses are often trimmed down to prepositional phrases by Whiz Deletion:
- He is the tallest boy in the class.
In your terms, yes, it's a post-modifier and it's licensed by most (or by -est).
If you called it an indirect complement I'd be puzzled, but that's nothing new.
I don't know what you'd call a reduced relative clause.
It may be a heretical notion, though it's not a new one.
answered 13 hours ago
John Lawler
84k6116328
Both of these are simply the Superlative construction.
Most is a superlative marker and takes a superlative construction. One of the things required for the construction is a range for comparison, which can be expressed as a relative clause modifying the superlative NP:
- He is the tallest boy who is in the class.
Of course, such relative clauses are often trimmed down to prepositional phrases by Whiz Deletion:
- He is the tallest boy in the class.
In your terms, yes, it's a post-modifier and it's licensed by most (or by -est).
If you called it an indirect complement I'd be puzzled, but that's nothing new.
I don't know what you'd call a reduced relative clause.
It may be a heretical notion, though it's not a new one.
answered 13 hours ago
John Lawler
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answered 13 hours ago
John Lawler
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answered 13 hours ago
John Lawler
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answered 13 hours ago
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Thanks @John Lawler! I'm confused by the part about being licensed, but still being a modifier though... and also, if it is indeed licensed by "most", it has to be indirect, right? So your answer seems a little bit contradictory to me. I'm sure it's just me being a bit slow though, so if you could clarify, I'd be very grateful.
– Hannah
3 hours ago
add a comment |
Thanks @John Lawler! I'm confused by the part about being licensed, but still being a modifier though... and also, if it is indeed licensed by "most", it has to be indirect, right? So your answer seems a little bit contradictory to me. I'm sure it's just me being a bit slow though, so if you could clarify, I'd be very grateful.
– Hannah
3 hours ago
Thanks @John Lawler! I'm confused by the part about being licensed, but still being a modifier though... and also, if it is indeed licensed by "most", it has to be indirect, right? So your answer seems a little bit contradictory to me. I'm sure it's just me being a bit slow though, so if you could clarify, I'd be very grateful.
– Hannah
3 hours ago
Thanks @John Lawler! I'm confused by the part about being licensed, but still being a modifier though... and also, if it is indeed licensed by "most", it has to be indirect, right? So your answer seems a little bit contradictory to me. I'm sure it's just me being a bit slow though, so if you could clarify, I'd be very grateful.
– Hannah
3 hours ago
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I've edited in quote marks, because the italics on their own were a bit unclear.
– marcellothearcane
15 hours ago
@Hannah "(that) I know" is a relative clause modifying "artist". In your other example, the PP "in the world" is complement of "artist".
– BillJ
3 hours ago
@BillJ Would it be possible for you develop this in an actual answer? I'd be very interested to know more about the way in which the PP is a complement, and also your thoughts on the fact that the relative clause "(that) I know" seems to connect with the head noun in a whole different way in the original example, compared to the way it connects in "the artist that I know", where it's clearly and indisputably a postmodifier. Thank you!
– Hannah
1 hour ago