Wouldn't Matt Smith be the 12th Doctor and not the 11th because David Tennant is both 10 and 11?
How is Matt Smith not the 12th Doctor (since David Tennant regenerated first into himself and then into Matt Smith)? Then wouldn't Peter Capaldi be the 13th Doctor? (Because that regeneration was a gift from the Time Lords thanks to Clara.)
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How is Matt Smith not the 12th Doctor (since David Tennant regenerated first into himself and then into Matt Smith)? Then wouldn't Peter Capaldi be the 13th Doctor? (Because that regeneration was a gift from the Time Lords thanks to Clara.)
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And it's more complicated than that, due to the existence of the Valeyard.
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And the War Doctor. :p
– Longspeak
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What about the war doctor played by John hurt? If you count his regeneration he should be 9th doctor, which screws up all numbers.
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How is Matt Smith not the 12th Doctor (since David Tennant regenerated first into himself and then into Matt Smith)? Then wouldn't Peter Capaldi be the 13th Doctor? (Because that regeneration was a gift from the Time Lords thanks to Clara.)
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How is Matt Smith not the 12th Doctor (since David Tennant regenerated first into himself and then into Matt Smith)? Then wouldn't Peter Capaldi be the 13th Doctor? (Because that regeneration was a gift from the Time Lords thanks to Clara.)
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And it's more complicated than that, due to the existence of the Valeyard.
– Spencer
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And the War Doctor. :p
– Longspeak
16 hours ago
What about the war doctor played by John hurt? If you count his regeneration he should be 9th doctor, which screws up all numbers.
– David S Podd
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And it's more complicated than that, due to the existence of the Valeyard.
– Spencer
yesterday
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And the War Doctor. :p
– Longspeak
16 hours ago
What about the war doctor played by John hurt? If you count his regeneration he should be 9th doctor, which screws up all numbers.
– David S Podd
3 hours ago
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And it's more complicated than that, due to the existence of the Valeyard.
– Spencer
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And it's more complicated than that, due to the existence of the Valeyard.
– Spencer
yesterday
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And the War Doctor. :p
– Longspeak
16 hours ago
And the War Doctor. :p
– Longspeak
16 hours ago
What about the war doctor played by John hurt? If you count his regeneration he should be 9th doctor, which screws up all numbers.
– David S Podd
3 hours ago
What about the war doctor played by John hurt? If you count his regeneration he should be 9th doctor, which screws up all numbers.
– David S Podd
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Here's the "regeneration" you're referring to:
The key here is that, while the Doctor did use up one of his regenerations, he didn't actually regenerate. He used just enough of the regeneration energy to heal himself, then channelled the rest into his severed hand from "The Christmas Invasion", preventing himself from fully changing.
You can think of it like the scene in "Let's Kill Hitler" where River Song transfers the last of her regeneration energy into the Doctor to revive him: on both occasions, the energy brought him back to life, but he didn't regenerate. So he's still the Tenth Doctor.
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It's complicated, more complicated than anyone knows exactly and this is why:
In the episode "The Brain of Morbeus" The Doctor faced a Timelord, a criminal mastermind who had survived execution called Morbeus. In a desperate attempt to thwart his plans, The Doctor goaded Morbeus into a mental duel.
They were both hooked to a machine which pitted all their mental resources from each of their many lives against the other's, their will and their knowledge and their determination to win, and to live.
The effort killed The Doctor, and reduced his enemy Morbeus to an insane gibbering wreck who threw himself off a cliff, so The Doctor - even in death won.
Whilst he was hooked up to the machine, The Doctor's and Morbeus's previous personas were displayed one by one as they were drawn into the contest - these images appeared among others:
Attribution: Peter 2018
None of the (lower row of) above images are of Doctors that we can pinpoint and name easily, they all appeared before the image of William Hartnell, Peter Cushing (had you forgotten him too? Here.) Michael Jayston (as per comments), David Bradley (Here) et al..
The Party line is that Peter Capaldi is the twelfth, but there's more to it, much more to it, perhaps more than even The Doctor himself knows - Rasillon knows, I don't.
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Canonically, I'd expect that they're meant to be future versions considering that they're in a different colour with a sort of portally effect.
– wizzwizz4
22 hours ago
@wizzwizz4 Possibly, but their costumes appear to be from Earth's past - admittedly that's no guarantee of anything.
– Duckisaduckisaduck
15 hours ago
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Personally, I also thought that by regenerating into the "same" body, that ought to count as two separate Doctors. However, regardless of in-universe status, the numbering of the Doctors is really based on the out-of-universe actors who played the character. On that basis, since the actor did not change, the numbering of the Doctor did not change either.
Given the fuss Ten made about changing into a new body at the end (you know, about dying and a new man walking away with his memories) and how easily this went over, I conclude he didn't really regenerate here.
– Mr Lister
11 hours ago
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The numbers generally refer to the number of times the Doctor has regenerated, distinct from the number of times the Doctor has consumed one of his available regenrations.
In short, new face, new actor, new number.
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Canonically, there only is, was, and will ever be one Doctor. The numbering is simply a referencing device for commentating on the show.
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Here's the "regeneration" you're referring to:
The key here is that, while the Doctor did use up one of his regenerations, he didn't actually regenerate. He used just enough of the regeneration energy to heal himself, then channelled the rest into his severed hand from "The Christmas Invasion", preventing himself from fully changing.
You can think of it like the scene in "Let's Kill Hitler" where River Song transfers the last of her regeneration energy into the Doctor to revive him: on both occasions, the energy brought him back to life, but he didn't regenerate. So he's still the Tenth Doctor.
add a comment |
Here's the "regeneration" you're referring to:
The key here is that, while the Doctor did use up one of his regenerations, he didn't actually regenerate. He used just enough of the regeneration energy to heal himself, then channelled the rest into his severed hand from "The Christmas Invasion", preventing himself from fully changing.
You can think of it like the scene in "Let's Kill Hitler" where River Song transfers the last of her regeneration energy into the Doctor to revive him: on both occasions, the energy brought him back to life, but he didn't regenerate. So he's still the Tenth Doctor.
add a comment |
Here's the "regeneration" you're referring to:
The key here is that, while the Doctor did use up one of his regenerations, he didn't actually regenerate. He used just enough of the regeneration energy to heal himself, then channelled the rest into his severed hand from "The Christmas Invasion", preventing himself from fully changing.
You can think of it like the scene in "Let's Kill Hitler" where River Song transfers the last of her regeneration energy into the Doctor to revive him: on both occasions, the energy brought him back to life, but he didn't regenerate. So he's still the Tenth Doctor.
Here's the "regeneration" you're referring to:
The key here is that, while the Doctor did use up one of his regenerations, he didn't actually regenerate. He used just enough of the regeneration energy to heal himself, then channelled the rest into his severed hand from "The Christmas Invasion", preventing himself from fully changing.
You can think of it like the scene in "Let's Kill Hitler" where River Song transfers the last of her regeneration energy into the Doctor to revive him: on both occasions, the energy brought him back to life, but he didn't regenerate. So he's still the Tenth Doctor.
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It's complicated, more complicated than anyone knows exactly and this is why:
In the episode "The Brain of Morbeus" The Doctor faced a Timelord, a criminal mastermind who had survived execution called Morbeus. In a desperate attempt to thwart his plans, The Doctor goaded Morbeus into a mental duel.
They were both hooked to a machine which pitted all their mental resources from each of their many lives against the other's, their will and their knowledge and their determination to win, and to live.
The effort killed The Doctor, and reduced his enemy Morbeus to an insane gibbering wreck who threw himself off a cliff, so The Doctor - even in death won.
Whilst he was hooked up to the machine, The Doctor's and Morbeus's previous personas were displayed one by one as they were drawn into the contest - these images appeared among others:
Attribution: Peter 2018
None of the (lower row of) above images are of Doctors that we can pinpoint and name easily, they all appeared before the image of William Hartnell, Peter Cushing (had you forgotten him too? Here.) Michael Jayston (as per comments), David Bradley (Here) et al..
The Party line is that Peter Capaldi is the twelfth, but there's more to it, much more to it, perhaps more than even The Doctor himself knows - Rasillon knows, I don't.
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Canonically, I'd expect that they're meant to be future versions considering that they're in a different colour with a sort of portally effect.
– wizzwizz4
22 hours ago
@wizzwizz4 Possibly, but their costumes appear to be from Earth's past - admittedly that's no guarantee of anything.
– Duckisaduckisaduck
15 hours ago
add a comment |
It's complicated, more complicated than anyone knows exactly and this is why:
In the episode "The Brain of Morbeus" The Doctor faced a Timelord, a criminal mastermind who had survived execution called Morbeus. In a desperate attempt to thwart his plans, The Doctor goaded Morbeus into a mental duel.
They were both hooked to a machine which pitted all their mental resources from each of their many lives against the other's, their will and their knowledge and their determination to win, and to live.
The effort killed The Doctor, and reduced his enemy Morbeus to an insane gibbering wreck who threw himself off a cliff, so The Doctor - even in death won.
Whilst he was hooked up to the machine, The Doctor's and Morbeus's previous personas were displayed one by one as they were drawn into the contest - these images appeared among others:
Attribution: Peter 2018
None of the (lower row of) above images are of Doctors that we can pinpoint and name easily, they all appeared before the image of William Hartnell, Peter Cushing (had you forgotten him too? Here.) Michael Jayston (as per comments), David Bradley (Here) et al..
The Party line is that Peter Capaldi is the twelfth, but there's more to it, much more to it, perhaps more than even The Doctor himself knows - Rasillon knows, I don't.
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Canonically, I'd expect that they're meant to be future versions considering that they're in a different colour with a sort of portally effect.
– wizzwizz4
22 hours ago
@wizzwizz4 Possibly, but their costumes appear to be from Earth's past - admittedly that's no guarantee of anything.
– Duckisaduckisaduck
15 hours ago
add a comment |
It's complicated, more complicated than anyone knows exactly and this is why:
In the episode "The Brain of Morbeus" The Doctor faced a Timelord, a criminal mastermind who had survived execution called Morbeus. In a desperate attempt to thwart his plans, The Doctor goaded Morbeus into a mental duel.
They were both hooked to a machine which pitted all their mental resources from each of their many lives against the other's, their will and their knowledge and their determination to win, and to live.
The effort killed The Doctor, and reduced his enemy Morbeus to an insane gibbering wreck who threw himself off a cliff, so The Doctor - even in death won.
Whilst he was hooked up to the machine, The Doctor's and Morbeus's previous personas were displayed one by one as they were drawn into the contest - these images appeared among others:
Attribution: Peter 2018
None of the (lower row of) above images are of Doctors that we can pinpoint and name easily, they all appeared before the image of William Hartnell, Peter Cushing (had you forgotten him too? Here.) Michael Jayston (as per comments), David Bradley (Here) et al..
The Party line is that Peter Capaldi is the twelfth, but there's more to it, much more to it, perhaps more than even The Doctor himself knows - Rasillon knows, I don't.
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It's complicated, more complicated than anyone knows exactly and this is why:
In the episode "The Brain of Morbeus" The Doctor faced a Timelord, a criminal mastermind who had survived execution called Morbeus. In a desperate attempt to thwart his plans, The Doctor goaded Morbeus into a mental duel.
They were both hooked to a machine which pitted all their mental resources from each of their many lives against the other's, their will and their knowledge and their determination to win, and to live.
The effort killed The Doctor, and reduced his enemy Morbeus to an insane gibbering wreck who threw himself off a cliff, so The Doctor - even in death won.
Whilst he was hooked up to the machine, The Doctor's and Morbeus's previous personas were displayed one by one as they were drawn into the contest - these images appeared among others:
Attribution: Peter 2018
None of the (lower row of) above images are of Doctors that we can pinpoint and name easily, they all appeared before the image of William Hartnell, Peter Cushing (had you forgotten him too? Here.) Michael Jayston (as per comments), David Bradley (Here) et al..
The Party line is that Peter Capaldi is the twelfth, but there's more to it, much more to it, perhaps more than even The Doctor himself knows - Rasillon knows, I don't.
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Canonically, I'd expect that they're meant to be future versions considering that they're in a different colour with a sort of portally effect.
– wizzwizz4
22 hours ago
@wizzwizz4 Possibly, but their costumes appear to be from Earth's past - admittedly that's no guarantee of anything.
– Duckisaduckisaduck
15 hours ago
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Canonically, I'd expect that they're meant to be future versions considering that they're in a different colour with a sort of portally effect.
– wizzwizz4
22 hours ago
@wizzwizz4 Possibly, but their costumes appear to be from Earth's past - admittedly that's no guarantee of anything.
– Duckisaduckisaduck
15 hours ago
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Canonically, I'd expect that they're meant to be future versions considering that they're in a different colour with a sort of portally effect.
– wizzwizz4
22 hours ago
Canonically, I'd expect that they're meant to be future versions considering that they're in a different colour with a sort of portally effect.
– wizzwizz4
22 hours ago
@wizzwizz4 Possibly, but their costumes appear to be from Earth's past - admittedly that's no guarantee of anything.
– Duckisaduckisaduck
15 hours ago
@wizzwizz4 Possibly, but their costumes appear to be from Earth's past - admittedly that's no guarantee of anything.
– Duckisaduckisaduck
15 hours ago
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Personally, I also thought that by regenerating into the "same" body, that ought to count as two separate Doctors. However, regardless of in-universe status, the numbering of the Doctors is really based on the out-of-universe actors who played the character. On that basis, since the actor did not change, the numbering of the Doctor did not change either.
Given the fuss Ten made about changing into a new body at the end (you know, about dying and a new man walking away with his memories) and how easily this went over, I conclude he didn't really regenerate here.
– Mr Lister
11 hours ago
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Personally, I also thought that by regenerating into the "same" body, that ought to count as two separate Doctors. However, regardless of in-universe status, the numbering of the Doctors is really based on the out-of-universe actors who played the character. On that basis, since the actor did not change, the numbering of the Doctor did not change either.
Given the fuss Ten made about changing into a new body at the end (you know, about dying and a new man walking away with his memories) and how easily this went over, I conclude he didn't really regenerate here.
– Mr Lister
11 hours ago
add a comment |
Personally, I also thought that by regenerating into the "same" body, that ought to count as two separate Doctors. However, regardless of in-universe status, the numbering of the Doctors is really based on the out-of-universe actors who played the character. On that basis, since the actor did not change, the numbering of the Doctor did not change either.
Personally, I also thought that by regenerating into the "same" body, that ought to count as two separate Doctors. However, regardless of in-universe status, the numbering of the Doctors is really based on the out-of-universe actors who played the character. On that basis, since the actor did not change, the numbering of the Doctor did not change either.
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Given the fuss Ten made about changing into a new body at the end (you know, about dying and a new man walking away with his memories) and how easily this went over, I conclude he didn't really regenerate here.
– Mr Lister
11 hours ago
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Given the fuss Ten made about changing into a new body at the end (you know, about dying and a new man walking away with his memories) and how easily this went over, I conclude he didn't really regenerate here.
– Mr Lister
11 hours ago
Given the fuss Ten made about changing into a new body at the end (you know, about dying and a new man walking away with his memories) and how easily this went over, I conclude he didn't really regenerate here.
– Mr Lister
11 hours ago
Given the fuss Ten made about changing into a new body at the end (you know, about dying and a new man walking away with his memories) and how easily this went over, I conclude he didn't really regenerate here.
– Mr Lister
11 hours ago
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The numbers generally refer to the number of times the Doctor has regenerated, distinct from the number of times the Doctor has consumed one of his available regenrations.
In short, new face, new actor, new number.
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The numbers generally refer to the number of times the Doctor has regenerated, distinct from the number of times the Doctor has consumed one of his available regenrations.
In short, new face, new actor, new number.
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The numbers generally refer to the number of times the Doctor has regenerated, distinct from the number of times the Doctor has consumed one of his available regenrations.
In short, new face, new actor, new number.
The numbers generally refer to the number of times the Doctor has regenerated, distinct from the number of times the Doctor has consumed one of his available regenrations.
In short, new face, new actor, new number.
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Canonically, there only is, was, and will ever be one Doctor. The numbering is simply a referencing device for commentating on the show.
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Canonically, there only is, was, and will ever be one Doctor. The numbering is simply a referencing device for commentating on the show.
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Canonically, there only is, was, and will ever be one Doctor. The numbering is simply a referencing device for commentating on the show.
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Canonically, there only is, was, and will ever be one Doctor. The numbering is simply a referencing device for commentating on the show.
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And the War Doctor. :p
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What about the war doctor played by John hurt? If you count his regeneration he should be 9th doctor, which screws up all numbers.
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