How do I hyphenate an open-form compound word with another that should be hyphenated?
I'm confused about how to combine an open-form compound word with a word that would normally be hyphenated. There's excellent guidance for making the open vs. closed vs. hyphenated decision, but I don't see how to apply this when hyphenating the open-form word looks wrong.
For example, make a compound word out of North, America, and based. North America is open formed and something-based is hyphenated. Is Coca-Cola a...
North America-based company: this seems very wrong as it de-emphasizes North America as a proper-noun place and makes it sound like the company is based in the North part of America (which is neither accurate nor the intent of the phrase).
North America based company: feels jolting to read and omits what seems like a necessary hyphen before "based"
North-America-based company: looks best(?), but has hyphenated the open-formed compound "North America", which unlike "well-thought-out plan" still seems wrong, despite the guidance at the linked answer above regarding phrasal adjectives*.
* the aforelinked answer says every word is hyphenated in phrasal adjectives , but for some open-form words this looks wrong
Note: I think my question could be improved with an example that looks even more egregious, but I can't think of one.
hyphenation open-vs-closed-vs-hyhenated
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I'm confused about how to combine an open-form compound word with a word that would normally be hyphenated. There's excellent guidance for making the open vs. closed vs. hyphenated decision, but I don't see how to apply this when hyphenating the open-form word looks wrong.
For example, make a compound word out of North, America, and based. North America is open formed and something-based is hyphenated. Is Coca-Cola a...
North America-based company: this seems very wrong as it de-emphasizes North America as a proper-noun place and makes it sound like the company is based in the North part of America (which is neither accurate nor the intent of the phrase).
North America based company: feels jolting to read and omits what seems like a necessary hyphen before "based"
North-America-based company: looks best(?), but has hyphenated the open-formed compound "North America", which unlike "well-thought-out plan" still seems wrong, despite the guidance at the linked answer above regarding phrasal adjectives*.
* the aforelinked answer says every word is hyphenated in phrasal adjectives , but for some open-form words this looks wrong
Note: I think my question could be improved with an example that looks even more egregious, but I can't think of one.
hyphenation open-vs-closed-vs-hyhenated
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North America-based looks fine to me, and I even prefer it to the other forms. As I recall there is also an authoritative basis to hyphenating it this way. Unfortunately I can't recall where I found the answer to this question but I do remember I researching this exact issue some years back when I often had to write the term "fossil fuel-fired power plants".
– Bjorn
Dec 14 '11 at 18:34
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You entirely missed North-America-based-company. Egregious enough for you? :-)
– Gnawme
Dec 14 '11 at 21:40
@Bjorn I think I like that example even better, as it avoids any complications associated with proper nouns. But I would naively read that as a plant that generates power, fueled by fire, and also fossilized.
– Adam Wuerl
Dec 14 '11 at 21:54
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I'm confused about how to combine an open-form compound word with a word that would normally be hyphenated. There's excellent guidance for making the open vs. closed vs. hyphenated decision, but I don't see how to apply this when hyphenating the open-form word looks wrong.
For example, make a compound word out of North, America, and based. North America is open formed and something-based is hyphenated. Is Coca-Cola a...
North America-based company: this seems very wrong as it de-emphasizes North America as a proper-noun place and makes it sound like the company is based in the North part of America (which is neither accurate nor the intent of the phrase).
North America based company: feels jolting to read and omits what seems like a necessary hyphen before "based"
North-America-based company: looks best(?), but has hyphenated the open-formed compound "North America", which unlike "well-thought-out plan" still seems wrong, despite the guidance at the linked answer above regarding phrasal adjectives*.
* the aforelinked answer says every word is hyphenated in phrasal adjectives , but for some open-form words this looks wrong
Note: I think my question could be improved with an example that looks even more egregious, but I can't think of one.
hyphenation open-vs-closed-vs-hyhenated
I'm confused about how to combine an open-form compound word with a word that would normally be hyphenated. There's excellent guidance for making the open vs. closed vs. hyphenated decision, but I don't see how to apply this when hyphenating the open-form word looks wrong.
For example, make a compound word out of North, America, and based. North America is open formed and something-based is hyphenated. Is Coca-Cola a...
North America-based company: this seems very wrong as it de-emphasizes North America as a proper-noun place and makes it sound like the company is based in the North part of America (which is neither accurate nor the intent of the phrase).
North America based company: feels jolting to read and omits what seems like a necessary hyphen before "based"
North-America-based company: looks best(?), but has hyphenated the open-formed compound "North America", which unlike "well-thought-out plan" still seems wrong, despite the guidance at the linked answer above regarding phrasal adjectives*.
* the aforelinked answer says every word is hyphenated in phrasal adjectives , but for some open-form words this looks wrong
Note: I think my question could be improved with an example that looks even more egregious, but I can't think of one.
hyphenation open-vs-closed-vs-hyhenated
hyphenation open-vs-closed-vs-hyhenated
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North America-based looks fine to me, and I even prefer it to the other forms. As I recall there is also an authoritative basis to hyphenating it this way. Unfortunately I can't recall where I found the answer to this question but I do remember I researching this exact issue some years back when I often had to write the term "fossil fuel-fired power plants".
– Bjorn
Dec 14 '11 at 18:34
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You entirely missed North-America-based-company. Egregious enough for you? :-)
– Gnawme
Dec 14 '11 at 21:40
@Bjorn I think I like that example even better, as it avoids any complications associated with proper nouns. But I would naively read that as a plant that generates power, fueled by fire, and also fossilized.
– Adam Wuerl
Dec 14 '11 at 21:54
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North America-based looks fine to me, and I even prefer it to the other forms. As I recall there is also an authoritative basis to hyphenating it this way. Unfortunately I can't recall where I found the answer to this question but I do remember I researching this exact issue some years back when I often had to write the term "fossil fuel-fired power plants".
– Bjorn
Dec 14 '11 at 18:34
3
You entirely missed North-America-based-company. Egregious enough for you? :-)
– Gnawme
Dec 14 '11 at 21:40
@Bjorn I think I like that example even better, as it avoids any complications associated with proper nouns. But I would naively read that as a plant that generates power, fueled by fire, and also fossilized.
– Adam Wuerl
Dec 14 '11 at 21:54
2
2
North America-based looks fine to me, and I even prefer it to the other forms. As I recall there is also an authoritative basis to hyphenating it this way. Unfortunately I can't recall where I found the answer to this question but I do remember I researching this exact issue some years back when I often had to write the term "fossil fuel-fired power plants".
– Bjorn
Dec 14 '11 at 18:34
North America-based looks fine to me, and I even prefer it to the other forms. As I recall there is also an authoritative basis to hyphenating it this way. Unfortunately I can't recall where I found the answer to this question but I do remember I researching this exact issue some years back when I often had to write the term "fossil fuel-fired power plants".
– Bjorn
Dec 14 '11 at 18:34
3
3
You entirely missed North-America-based-company. Egregious enough for you? :-)
– Gnawme
Dec 14 '11 at 21:40
You entirely missed North-America-based-company. Egregious enough for you? :-)
– Gnawme
Dec 14 '11 at 21:40
@Bjorn I think I like that example even better, as it avoids any complications associated with proper nouns. But I would naively read that as a plant that generates power, fueled by fire, and also fossilized.
– Adam Wuerl
Dec 14 '11 at 21:54
@Bjorn I think I like that example even better, as it avoids any complications associated with proper nouns. But I would naively read that as a plant that generates power, fueled by fire, and also fossilized.
– Adam Wuerl
Dec 14 '11 at 21:54
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The Chicago Manual prefers a spare hyphenation style; their guideline is "hyphenate only if doing so will aid readability". So Chicago would recommend North America based.
When I look up based in Wordnik, all of their examples where based is preceded by a proper name use the hyphen, e.g., U.S.-based, N.Y.-based, and so North America-based by extension.
However, I would share your reservations about joining America to based, and would use North America based.
The Chicago Manual notes:
Far and away the most common spelling questions for writers and
editors concern compound terms—whether to spell as two words,
hyphenate, or close up as a single word.
To aid your decision, they offer this handy table.
The readability of North America based is improved by adding some form of punctuation, as 'based' may be the past tense: there is a garden path situation.
– Edwin Ashworth
Oct 16 '16 at 23:34
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One thing some style manuals suggest in this case is to use an en-dash rather than a hyphen. So
North America–based company
rather than
North America-based company.
The longer dash signals that it shouldn't be parsed as "America-based".
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I like this solution myself, but the tyranny of the typewriter, general ignorance of the style, and overall laziness on writer and publisher alike all work against its general acceptance and widespread recognition.
– tchrist♦
Nov 14 '12 at 13:54
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Based on a cursory scan of Google Books for North America based, where their search engine ignores any punctuation marks between the words, I would guess that about 2/3rds of all relevant instances were North America-based. But I see nothing wrong with omitting the hyphen.
I didn't see a single instance of OP's doubly-hyphenated version, which looks decidely odd to me.
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I agree. 'North America' is an integral proper noun, which cannot, I'd have thought, be split (or joined even) by a hyphen.
– Barrie England
Dec 14 '11 at 18:35
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Rewrite the sentence to avoid the problem:
Coca-Cola, based in North America, makes sugared water.
Coca-Cola, headquartered in North America, makes sugary water.
Or just drop "based"
North America's Coca-Cola makes sugar-water.
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My convention is that I hyphenate if the term modifies the following noun, so "North American-based company" is correct.
My related convention is that if the modified noun precedes the -based language, I remove the hyphen: "the company is North American based." This is consistent with the Chicago Manual recommendations.
Personal conventions aren't appropriate as an answer.
– Chappo
Jun 20 '16 at 2:25
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The Chicago Manual prefers a spare hyphenation style; their guideline is "hyphenate only if doing so will aid readability". So Chicago would recommend North America based.
When I look up based in Wordnik, all of their examples where based is preceded by a proper name use the hyphen, e.g., U.S.-based, N.Y.-based, and so North America-based by extension.
However, I would share your reservations about joining America to based, and would use North America based.
The Chicago Manual notes:
Far and away the most common spelling questions for writers and
editors concern compound terms—whether to spell as two words,
hyphenate, or close up as a single word.
To aid your decision, they offer this handy table.
The readability of North America based is improved by adding some form of punctuation, as 'based' may be the past tense: there is a garden path situation.
– Edwin Ashworth
Oct 16 '16 at 23:34
add a comment |
The Chicago Manual prefers a spare hyphenation style; their guideline is "hyphenate only if doing so will aid readability". So Chicago would recommend North America based.
When I look up based in Wordnik, all of their examples where based is preceded by a proper name use the hyphen, e.g., U.S.-based, N.Y.-based, and so North America-based by extension.
However, I would share your reservations about joining America to based, and would use North America based.
The Chicago Manual notes:
Far and away the most common spelling questions for writers and
editors concern compound terms—whether to spell as two words,
hyphenate, or close up as a single word.
To aid your decision, they offer this handy table.
The readability of North America based is improved by adding some form of punctuation, as 'based' may be the past tense: there is a garden path situation.
– Edwin Ashworth
Oct 16 '16 at 23:34
add a comment |
The Chicago Manual prefers a spare hyphenation style; their guideline is "hyphenate only if doing so will aid readability". So Chicago would recommend North America based.
When I look up based in Wordnik, all of their examples where based is preceded by a proper name use the hyphen, e.g., U.S.-based, N.Y.-based, and so North America-based by extension.
However, I would share your reservations about joining America to based, and would use North America based.
The Chicago Manual notes:
Far and away the most common spelling questions for writers and
editors concern compound terms—whether to spell as two words,
hyphenate, or close up as a single word.
To aid your decision, they offer this handy table.
The Chicago Manual prefers a spare hyphenation style; their guideline is "hyphenate only if doing so will aid readability". So Chicago would recommend North America based.
When I look up based in Wordnik, all of their examples where based is preceded by a proper name use the hyphen, e.g., U.S.-based, N.Y.-based, and so North America-based by extension.
However, I would share your reservations about joining America to based, and would use North America based.
The Chicago Manual notes:
Far and away the most common spelling questions for writers and
editors concern compound terms—whether to spell as two words,
hyphenate, or close up as a single word.
To aid your decision, they offer this handy table.
answered Dec 14 '11 at 21:28
Gnawme
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The readability of North America based is improved by adding some form of punctuation, as 'based' may be the past tense: there is a garden path situation.
– Edwin Ashworth
Oct 16 '16 at 23:34
add a comment |
The readability of North America based is improved by adding some form of punctuation, as 'based' may be the past tense: there is a garden path situation.
– Edwin Ashworth
Oct 16 '16 at 23:34
The readability of North America based is improved by adding some form of punctuation, as 'based' may be the past tense: there is a garden path situation.
– Edwin Ashworth
Oct 16 '16 at 23:34
The readability of North America based is improved by adding some form of punctuation, as 'based' may be the past tense: there is a garden path situation.
– Edwin Ashworth
Oct 16 '16 at 23:34
add a comment |
One thing some style manuals suggest in this case is to use an en-dash rather than a hyphen. So
North America–based company
rather than
North America-based company.
The longer dash signals that it shouldn't be parsed as "America-based".
5
I like this solution myself, but the tyranny of the typewriter, general ignorance of the style, and overall laziness on writer and publisher alike all work against its general acceptance and widespread recognition.
– tchrist♦
Nov 14 '12 at 13:54
add a comment |
One thing some style manuals suggest in this case is to use an en-dash rather than a hyphen. So
North America–based company
rather than
North America-based company.
The longer dash signals that it shouldn't be parsed as "America-based".
5
I like this solution myself, but the tyranny of the typewriter, general ignorance of the style, and overall laziness on writer and publisher alike all work against its general acceptance and widespread recognition.
– tchrist♦
Nov 14 '12 at 13:54
add a comment |
One thing some style manuals suggest in this case is to use an en-dash rather than a hyphen. So
North America–based company
rather than
North America-based company.
The longer dash signals that it shouldn't be parsed as "America-based".
One thing some style manuals suggest in this case is to use an en-dash rather than a hyphen. So
North America–based company
rather than
North America-based company.
The longer dash signals that it shouldn't be parsed as "America-based".
answered Nov 14 '12 at 13:38
Peter Shor
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I like this solution myself, but the tyranny of the typewriter, general ignorance of the style, and overall laziness on writer and publisher alike all work against its general acceptance and widespread recognition.
– tchrist♦
Nov 14 '12 at 13:54
add a comment |
5
I like this solution myself, but the tyranny of the typewriter, general ignorance of the style, and overall laziness on writer and publisher alike all work against its general acceptance and widespread recognition.
– tchrist♦
Nov 14 '12 at 13:54
5
5
I like this solution myself, but the tyranny of the typewriter, general ignorance of the style, and overall laziness on writer and publisher alike all work against its general acceptance and widespread recognition.
– tchrist♦
Nov 14 '12 at 13:54
I like this solution myself, but the tyranny of the typewriter, general ignorance of the style, and overall laziness on writer and publisher alike all work against its general acceptance and widespread recognition.
– tchrist♦
Nov 14 '12 at 13:54
add a comment |
Based on a cursory scan of Google Books for North America based, where their search engine ignores any punctuation marks between the words, I would guess that about 2/3rds of all relevant instances were North America-based. But I see nothing wrong with omitting the hyphen.
I didn't see a single instance of OP's doubly-hyphenated version, which looks decidely odd to me.
3
I agree. 'North America' is an integral proper noun, which cannot, I'd have thought, be split (or joined even) by a hyphen.
– Barrie England
Dec 14 '11 at 18:35
add a comment |
Based on a cursory scan of Google Books for North America based, where their search engine ignores any punctuation marks between the words, I would guess that about 2/3rds of all relevant instances were North America-based. But I see nothing wrong with omitting the hyphen.
I didn't see a single instance of OP's doubly-hyphenated version, which looks decidely odd to me.
3
I agree. 'North America' is an integral proper noun, which cannot, I'd have thought, be split (or joined even) by a hyphen.
– Barrie England
Dec 14 '11 at 18:35
add a comment |
Based on a cursory scan of Google Books for North America based, where their search engine ignores any punctuation marks between the words, I would guess that about 2/3rds of all relevant instances were North America-based. But I see nothing wrong with omitting the hyphen.
I didn't see a single instance of OP's doubly-hyphenated version, which looks decidely odd to me.
Based on a cursory scan of Google Books for North America based, where their search engine ignores any punctuation marks between the words, I would guess that about 2/3rds of all relevant instances were North America-based. But I see nothing wrong with omitting the hyphen.
I didn't see a single instance of OP's doubly-hyphenated version, which looks decidely odd to me.
answered Dec 14 '11 at 18:28
FumbleFingers
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I agree. 'North America' is an integral proper noun, which cannot, I'd have thought, be split (or joined even) by a hyphen.
– Barrie England
Dec 14 '11 at 18:35
add a comment |
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I agree. 'North America' is an integral proper noun, which cannot, I'd have thought, be split (or joined even) by a hyphen.
– Barrie England
Dec 14 '11 at 18:35
3
3
I agree. 'North America' is an integral proper noun, which cannot, I'd have thought, be split (or joined even) by a hyphen.
– Barrie England
Dec 14 '11 at 18:35
I agree. 'North America' is an integral proper noun, which cannot, I'd have thought, be split (or joined even) by a hyphen.
– Barrie England
Dec 14 '11 at 18:35
add a comment |
Rewrite the sentence to avoid the problem:
Coca-Cola, based in North America, makes sugared water.
Coca-Cola, headquartered in North America, makes sugary water.
Or just drop "based"
North America's Coca-Cola makes sugar-water.
add a comment |
Rewrite the sentence to avoid the problem:
Coca-Cola, based in North America, makes sugared water.
Coca-Cola, headquartered in North America, makes sugary water.
Or just drop "based"
North America's Coca-Cola makes sugar-water.
add a comment |
Rewrite the sentence to avoid the problem:
Coca-Cola, based in North America, makes sugared water.
Coca-Cola, headquartered in North America, makes sugary water.
Or just drop "based"
North America's Coca-Cola makes sugar-water.
Rewrite the sentence to avoid the problem:
Coca-Cola, based in North America, makes sugared water.
Coca-Cola, headquartered in North America, makes sugary water.
Or just drop "based"
North America's Coca-Cola makes sugar-water.
answered Dec 12 '15 at 2:19
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My convention is that I hyphenate if the term modifies the following noun, so "North American-based company" is correct.
My related convention is that if the modified noun precedes the -based language, I remove the hyphen: "the company is North American based." This is consistent with the Chicago Manual recommendations.
Personal conventions aren't appropriate as an answer.
– Chappo
Jun 20 '16 at 2:25
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My convention is that I hyphenate if the term modifies the following noun, so "North American-based company" is correct.
My related convention is that if the modified noun precedes the -based language, I remove the hyphen: "the company is North American based." This is consistent with the Chicago Manual recommendations.
Personal conventions aren't appropriate as an answer.
– Chappo
Jun 20 '16 at 2:25
add a comment |
My convention is that I hyphenate if the term modifies the following noun, so "North American-based company" is correct.
My related convention is that if the modified noun precedes the -based language, I remove the hyphen: "the company is North American based." This is consistent with the Chicago Manual recommendations.
My convention is that I hyphenate if the term modifies the following noun, so "North American-based company" is correct.
My related convention is that if the modified noun precedes the -based language, I remove the hyphen: "the company is North American based." This is consistent with the Chicago Manual recommendations.
answered Aug 15 '13 at 15:24
Matt Shapiro
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Personal conventions aren't appropriate as an answer.
– Chappo
Jun 20 '16 at 2:25
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Personal conventions aren't appropriate as an answer.
– Chappo
Jun 20 '16 at 2:25
Personal conventions aren't appropriate as an answer.
– Chappo
Jun 20 '16 at 2:25
Personal conventions aren't appropriate as an answer.
– Chappo
Jun 20 '16 at 2:25
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North America-based looks fine to me, and I even prefer it to the other forms. As I recall there is also an authoritative basis to hyphenating it this way. Unfortunately I can't recall where I found the answer to this question but I do remember I researching this exact issue some years back when I often had to write the term "fossil fuel-fired power plants".
– Bjorn
Dec 14 '11 at 18:34
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You entirely missed North-America-based-company. Egregious enough for you? :-)
– Gnawme
Dec 14 '11 at 21:40
@Bjorn I think I like that example even better, as it avoids any complications associated with proper nouns. But I would naively read that as a plant that generates power, fueled by fire, and also fossilized.
– Adam Wuerl
Dec 14 '11 at 21:54