Use of subjective or objective case
It is not good for you and (I/me) to be seen together.
What is proper grammar: I or me?
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It is not good for you and (I/me) to be seen together.
What is proper grammar: I or me?
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Prepositional case: for me, to him, on us, at her, etc.
– Robusto
17 hours ago
Would it be easier for you to figure it out if the sentence was reordered: "Being seen together is not good for you and ____."? What if you leave out "you and"?
– Scott
10 hours ago
The element "for you and me to be seen together" is a subordinate non-finite clause serving as complement of the adjective "good". "For" is not a preposition here, but a subordinator. Since the pronouns are subject of the non-finite clause, it should be the accusative case "me".
– BillJ
4 hours ago
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What is proper grammar: I or me?
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It is not good for you and (I/me) to be seen together.
What is proper grammar: I or me?
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Prepositional case: for me, to him, on us, at her, etc.
– Robusto
17 hours ago
Would it be easier for you to figure it out if the sentence was reordered: "Being seen together is not good for you and ____."? What if you leave out "you and"?
– Scott
10 hours ago
The element "for you and me to be seen together" is a subordinate non-finite clause serving as complement of the adjective "good". "For" is not a preposition here, but a subordinator. Since the pronouns are subject of the non-finite clause, it should be the accusative case "me".
– BillJ
4 hours ago
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Prepositional case: for me, to him, on us, at her, etc.
– Robusto
17 hours ago
Would it be easier for you to figure it out if the sentence was reordered: "Being seen together is not good for you and ____."? What if you leave out "you and"?
– Scott
10 hours ago
The element "for you and me to be seen together" is a subordinate non-finite clause serving as complement of the adjective "good". "For" is not a preposition here, but a subordinator. Since the pronouns are subject of the non-finite clause, it should be the accusative case "me".
– BillJ
4 hours ago
Prepositional case: for me, to him, on us, at her, etc.
– Robusto
17 hours ago
Prepositional case: for me, to him, on us, at her, etc.
– Robusto
17 hours ago
Would it be easier for you to figure it out if the sentence was reordered: "Being seen together is not good for you and ____."? What if you leave out "you and"?
– Scott
10 hours ago
Would it be easier for you to figure it out if the sentence was reordered: "Being seen together is not good for you and ____."? What if you leave out "you and"?
– Scott
10 hours ago
The element "for you and me to be seen together" is a subordinate non-finite clause serving as complement of the adjective "good". "For" is not a preposition here, but a subordinator. Since the pronouns are subject of the non-finite clause, it should be the accusative case "me".
– BillJ
4 hours ago
The element "for you and me to be seen together" is a subordinate non-finite clause serving as complement of the adjective "good". "For" is not a preposition here, but a subordinator. Since the pronouns are subject of the non-finite clause, it should be the accusative case "me".
– BillJ
4 hours ago
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The way I identify whether my pronouns should be subject or object pronouns is to ask, "Are they subjects or objects in the phrase/sentence?" I know that sounds trite but I have to remind myself and my students that "Objects are objects, and subjects are subjects."
So when I see "for you and (I/me)," I first notice that we have "for" as a preposition. It is called that because it is in the (pre)position of a prepositional phrase. That lets the cat out of the bag because prepositional phrases contain the "object(s) of the preposition." Since objects are objects, I need to use the object pronoun..."me".
answered 15 hours ago
Joseph O.
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You have the right answer, but for the wrong reason. "For" is not a preposition here, but a subordinator introducing the non-finite clause "for you and (I/me) to be seen together". Since the pronouns "you and I/me" are subject of a non-finite clause, it should be the accusative "me". Compare also "For him to lose his temper like that is highly unusual". Note that non-finite clauses take accusative subjects, not nominative ones.
– BillJ
4 hours ago
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It's not good for me to eat lots of chocolate.
It's not good for you to drink too much beer.
It's not good for you and me to be seen together.
So the things bracketed together under "it's not good for" are in the object case.
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The way I identify whether my pronouns should be subject or object pronouns is to ask, "Are they subjects or objects in the phrase/sentence?" I know that sounds trite but I have to remind myself and my students that "Objects are objects, and subjects are subjects."
So when I see "for you and (I/me)," I first notice that we have "for" as a preposition. It is called that because it is in the (pre)position of a prepositional phrase. That lets the cat out of the bag because prepositional phrases contain the "object(s) of the preposition." Since objects are objects, I need to use the object pronoun..."me".
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You have the right answer, but for the wrong reason. "For" is not a preposition here, but a subordinator introducing the non-finite clause "for you and (I/me) to be seen together". Since the pronouns "you and I/me" are subject of a non-finite clause, it should be the accusative "me". Compare also "For him to lose his temper like that is highly unusual". Note that non-finite clauses take accusative subjects, not nominative ones.
– BillJ
4 hours ago
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The way I identify whether my pronouns should be subject or object pronouns is to ask, "Are they subjects or objects in the phrase/sentence?" I know that sounds trite but I have to remind myself and my students that "Objects are objects, and subjects are subjects."
So when I see "for you and (I/me)," I first notice that we have "for" as a preposition. It is called that because it is in the (pre)position of a prepositional phrase. That lets the cat out of the bag because prepositional phrases contain the "object(s) of the preposition." Since objects are objects, I need to use the object pronoun..."me".
answered 15 hours ago
Joseph O.
947
You have the right answer, but for the wrong reason. "For" is not a preposition here, but a subordinator introducing the non-finite clause "for you and (I/me) to be seen together". Since the pronouns "you and I/me" are subject of a non-finite clause, it should be the accusative "me". Compare also "For him to lose his temper like that is highly unusual". Note that non-finite clauses take accusative subjects, not nominative ones.
– BillJ
4 hours ago
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The way I identify whether my pronouns should be subject or object pronouns is to ask, "Are they subjects or objects in the phrase/sentence?" I know that sounds trite but I have to remind myself and my students that "Objects are objects, and subjects are subjects."
So when I see "for you and (I/me)," I first notice that we have "for" as a preposition. It is called that because it is in the (pre)position of a prepositional phrase. That lets the cat out of the bag because prepositional phrases contain the "object(s) of the preposition." Since objects are objects, I need to use the object pronoun..."me".
answered 15 hours ago
Joseph O.
947
The way I identify whether my pronouns should be subject or object pronouns is to ask, "Are they subjects or objects in the phrase/sentence?" I know that sounds trite but I have to remind myself and my students that "Objects are objects, and subjects are subjects."
So when I see "for you and (I/me)," I first notice that we have "for" as a preposition. It is called that because it is in the (pre)position of a prepositional phrase. That lets the cat out of the bag because prepositional phrases contain the "object(s) of the preposition." Since objects are objects, I need to use the object pronoun..."me".
answered 15 hours ago
Joseph O.
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Joseph O.
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Joseph O.
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Joseph O.
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947
You have the right answer, but for the wrong reason. "For" is not a preposition here, but a subordinator introducing the non-finite clause "for you and (I/me) to be seen together". Since the pronouns "you and I/me" are subject of a non-finite clause, it should be the accusative "me". Compare also "For him to lose his temper like that is highly unusual". Note that non-finite clauses take accusative subjects, not nominative ones.
– BillJ
4 hours ago
add a comment |
You have the right answer, but for the wrong reason. "For" is not a preposition here, but a subordinator introducing the non-finite clause "for you and (I/me) to be seen together". Since the pronouns "you and I/me" are subject of a non-finite clause, it should be the accusative "me". Compare also "For him to lose his temper like that is highly unusual". Note that non-finite clauses take accusative subjects, not nominative ones.
– BillJ
4 hours ago
You have the right answer, but for the wrong reason. "For" is not a preposition here, but a subordinator introducing the non-finite clause "for you and (I/me) to be seen together". Since the pronouns "you and I/me" are subject of a non-finite clause, it should be the accusative "me". Compare also "For him to lose his temper like that is highly unusual". Note that non-finite clauses take accusative subjects, not nominative ones.
– BillJ
4 hours ago
You have the right answer, but for the wrong reason. "For" is not a preposition here, but a subordinator introducing the non-finite clause "for you and (I/me) to be seen together". Since the pronouns "you and I/me" are subject of a non-finite clause, it should be the accusative "me". Compare also "For him to lose his temper like that is highly unusual". Note that non-finite clauses take accusative subjects, not nominative ones.
– BillJ
4 hours ago
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It's not good for me to eat lots of chocolate.
It's not good for you to drink too much beer.
It's not good for you and me to be seen together.
So the things bracketed together under "it's not good for" are in the object case.
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Hello @D R Ball. Welcome to the English S.E. If you could, please elaborate more on your answer and maybe list some sources?
– Sweet_Cherry
16 hours ago
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It's not good for me to eat lots of chocolate.
It's not good for you to drink too much beer.
It's not good for you and me to be seen together.
So the things bracketed together under "it's not good for" are in the object case.
edited 15 hours ago
Sweet_Cherry
570216
answered 17 hours ago
D R Ball
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Hello @D R Ball. Welcome to the English S.E. If you could, please elaborate more on your answer and maybe list some sources?
– Sweet_Cherry
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It's not good for me to eat lots of chocolate.
It's not good for you to drink too much beer.
It's not good for you and me to be seen together.
So the things bracketed together under "it's not good for" are in the object case.
edited 15 hours ago
Sweet_Cherry
570216
answered 17 hours ago
D R Ball
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It's not good for me to eat lots of chocolate.
It's not good for you to drink too much beer.
It's not good for you and me to be seen together.
So the things bracketed together under "it's not good for" are in the object case.
edited 15 hours ago
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answered 17 hours ago
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Hello @D R Ball. Welcome to the English S.E. If you could, please elaborate more on your answer and maybe list some sources?
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Hello @D R Ball. Welcome to the English S.E. If you could, please elaborate more on your answer and maybe list some sources?
– Sweet_Cherry
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Hello @D R Ball. Welcome to the English S.E. If you could, please elaborate more on your answer and maybe list some sources?
– Sweet_Cherry
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Hello @D R Ball. Welcome to the English S.E. If you could, please elaborate more on your answer and maybe list some sources?
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Prepositional case: for me, to him, on us, at her, etc.
– Robusto
17 hours ago
Would it be easier for you to figure it out if the sentence was reordered: "Being seen together is not good for you and ____."? What if you leave out "you and"?
– Scott
10 hours ago
The element "for you and me to be seen together" is a subordinate non-finite clause serving as complement of the adjective "good". "For" is not a preposition here, but a subordinator. Since the pronouns are subject of the non-finite clause, it should be the accusative case "me".
– BillJ
4 hours ago