What energy sources would a species use if they didn't have acess to fossil fuels?
I'm designing an alien race that hasn't developed electricity yet. Now, one thing about their species is that they haven't discovered fossil fuels on their planet to use, like coal, oil, etc. (The reason for this isn't clear at this moment but I think I can figure something out later.)
So I was thinking, if a civilization couldn't use fossil fuels as a starting point for generating energy, what alternate sources of energy would they begin with? Are renewables an option, or does that require more advanced technology in order to make? Another option, is the fact that plants on their planet have nervous systems, and maybe they could extract energy from them, however I think that still requires technology that is far ahead for their civilization and I'm not certain if such an "energy source" would last long or give enough energy.
So my question is, if a civilization can't use fossil fuels to develop, then what other energy sources exist as a starting point?
Note: I don't know if this is useful information or not, but they use bioluminescent plants to light up their cities at nights instead of making fire or gas lights.
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I'm designing an alien race that hasn't developed electricity yet. Now, one thing about their species is that they haven't discovered fossil fuels on their planet to use, like coal, oil, etc. (The reason for this isn't clear at this moment but I think I can figure something out later.)
So I was thinking, if a civilization couldn't use fossil fuels as a starting point for generating energy, what alternate sources of energy would they begin with? Are renewables an option, or does that require more advanced technology in order to make? Another option, is the fact that plants on their planet have nervous systems, and maybe they could extract energy from them, however I think that still requires technology that is far ahead for their civilization and I'm not certain if such an "energy source" would last long or give enough energy.
So my question is, if a civilization can't use fossil fuels to develop, then what other energy sources exist as a starting point?
Note: I don't know if this is useful information or not, but they use bioluminescent plants to light up their cities at nights instead of making fire or gas lights.
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Burning wood and plant and animal oils seems obvious. Any reason why they can't use those?
– nzaman
5 hours ago
Human civilization did not use fossil fuels until the second industrial revolution, in the 18th century. The ancient civilizations, the medieval civilizations, the early modern civilizations did not use fossil fuels. (All right, they used a very little coal, in some places and for limited purposes.) Hint: wood, wind, rivers, oxen, horses.
– AlexP
5 hours ago
An obvious reason for them not having fossil fuels is that a precursor race used them all. And then went extinct due to the effects of global warming, leaving the new race to evolve intelligence in less time than it takes to form fossil fuel deposits. Think current humans, and the new intelligence evolving from rats :-)
– jamesqf
4 hours ago
Light their cities? Light their cities? What human civilization had public illumination in pre-modern or early-modern times?
– AlexP
4 hours ago
@AlexP - Paris? They count as civilized. But when does early modern start?
– Willk
4 hours ago
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I'm designing an alien race that hasn't developed electricity yet. Now, one thing about their species is that they haven't discovered fossil fuels on their planet to use, like coal, oil, etc. (The reason for this isn't clear at this moment but I think I can figure something out later.)
So I was thinking, if a civilization couldn't use fossil fuels as a starting point for generating energy, what alternate sources of energy would they begin with? Are renewables an option, or does that require more advanced technology in order to make? Another option, is the fact that plants on their planet have nervous systems, and maybe they could extract energy from them, however I think that still requires technology that is far ahead for their civilization and I'm not certain if such an "energy source" would last long or give enough energy.
So my question is, if a civilization can't use fossil fuels to develop, then what other energy sources exist as a starting point?
Note: I don't know if this is useful information or not, but they use bioluminescent plants to light up their cities at nights instead of making fire or gas lights.
civilization energy fuels
I'm designing an alien race that hasn't developed electricity yet. Now, one thing about their species is that they haven't discovered fossil fuels on their planet to use, like coal, oil, etc. (The reason for this isn't clear at this moment but I think I can figure something out later.)
So I was thinking, if a civilization couldn't use fossil fuels as a starting point for generating energy, what alternate sources of energy would they begin with? Are renewables an option, or does that require more advanced technology in order to make? Another option, is the fact that plants on their planet have nervous systems, and maybe they could extract energy from them, however I think that still requires technology that is far ahead for their civilization and I'm not certain if such an "energy source" would last long or give enough energy.
So my question is, if a civilization can't use fossil fuels to develop, then what other energy sources exist as a starting point?
Note: I don't know if this is useful information or not, but they use bioluminescent plants to light up their cities at nights instead of making fire or gas lights.
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Burning wood and plant and animal oils seems obvious. Any reason why they can't use those?
– nzaman
5 hours ago
Human civilization did not use fossil fuels until the second industrial revolution, in the 18th century. The ancient civilizations, the medieval civilizations, the early modern civilizations did not use fossil fuels. (All right, they used a very little coal, in some places and for limited purposes.) Hint: wood, wind, rivers, oxen, horses.
– AlexP
5 hours ago
An obvious reason for them not having fossil fuels is that a precursor race used them all. And then went extinct due to the effects of global warming, leaving the new race to evolve intelligence in less time than it takes to form fossil fuel deposits. Think current humans, and the new intelligence evolving from rats :-)
– jamesqf
4 hours ago
Light their cities? Light their cities? What human civilization had public illumination in pre-modern or early-modern times?
– AlexP
4 hours ago
@AlexP - Paris? They count as civilized. But when does early modern start?
– Willk
4 hours ago
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Burning wood and plant and animal oils seems obvious. Any reason why they can't use those?
– nzaman
5 hours ago
Human civilization did not use fossil fuels until the second industrial revolution, in the 18th century. The ancient civilizations, the medieval civilizations, the early modern civilizations did not use fossil fuels. (All right, they used a very little coal, in some places and for limited purposes.) Hint: wood, wind, rivers, oxen, horses.
– AlexP
5 hours ago
An obvious reason for them not having fossil fuels is that a precursor race used them all. And then went extinct due to the effects of global warming, leaving the new race to evolve intelligence in less time than it takes to form fossil fuel deposits. Think current humans, and the new intelligence evolving from rats :-)
– jamesqf
4 hours ago
Light their cities? Light their cities? What human civilization had public illumination in pre-modern or early-modern times?
– AlexP
4 hours ago
@AlexP - Paris? They count as civilized. But when does early modern start?
– Willk
4 hours ago
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Burning wood and plant and animal oils seems obvious. Any reason why they can't use those?
– nzaman
5 hours ago
Burning wood and plant and animal oils seems obvious. Any reason why they can't use those?
– nzaman
5 hours ago
Human civilization did not use fossil fuels until the second industrial revolution, in the 18th century. The ancient civilizations, the medieval civilizations, the early modern civilizations did not use fossil fuels. (All right, they used a very little coal, in some places and for limited purposes.) Hint: wood, wind, rivers, oxen, horses.
– AlexP
5 hours ago
Human civilization did not use fossil fuels until the second industrial revolution, in the 18th century. The ancient civilizations, the medieval civilizations, the early modern civilizations did not use fossil fuels. (All right, they used a very little coal, in some places and for limited purposes.) Hint: wood, wind, rivers, oxen, horses.
– AlexP
5 hours ago
An obvious reason for them not having fossil fuels is that a precursor race used them all. And then went extinct due to the effects of global warming, leaving the new race to evolve intelligence in less time than it takes to form fossil fuel deposits. Think current humans, and the new intelligence evolving from rats :-)
– jamesqf
4 hours ago
An obvious reason for them not having fossil fuels is that a precursor race used them all. And then went extinct due to the effects of global warming, leaving the new race to evolve intelligence in less time than it takes to form fossil fuel deposits. Think current humans, and the new intelligence evolving from rats :-)
– jamesqf
4 hours ago
Light their cities? Light their cities? What human civilization had public illumination in pre-modern or early-modern times?
– AlexP
4 hours ago
Light their cities? Light their cities? What human civilization had public illumination in pre-modern or early-modern times?
– AlexP
4 hours ago
@AlexP - Paris? They count as civilized. But when does early modern start?
– Willk
4 hours ago
@AlexP - Paris? They count as civilized. But when does early modern start?
– Willk
4 hours ago
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Wood
You said they don't have access to fossil fuels, but not to a forest. Using wood as fuel can be a good way to start gathering energy, in form of steam engine if you are looking for mechanical energy instead of heat. For the link:
A common hardwood, red oak, has an energy content (heat value) of 14.9 megajoules per kilogram [...]
Wood as fuel can be used in firewood, chips, wood pellets or sawdust, as residue from other process.
After your species advances more technologically, and want, for example, melt iron, they will develop charcoal using charcoal burner. From there, and there:
Charcoal burns at temperatures exceeding 1,100 degrees Celsius (2,010 degrees Fahrenheit). By comparison the melting point of iron is approximately 1,200 to 1,550 °C (2,190 to 2,820 °F). Due to its porosity, it is sensitive to the flow of air and the heat generated can be moderated by controlling the air flow to the fire. For this reason charcoal is still widely used by blacksmiths. Charcoal has been used for the production of iron since Roman times and steel in modern times where it also provided the necessary carbon. Charcoal briquettes can burn up to approximately 1,260 °C (2,300 °F) with a forced air blower forge.
[...]
Historically, charcoal was used in great quantities for smelting iron in bloomeries and later blast furnaces and finery forges.
Even more, you can make syngas with wood:
Like many other sources of carbon, charcoal can be used for the production of various syngas compositions; i.e., various CO + H2 + CO2 + N2 mixtures. The syngas is typically used as fuel, including automotive propulsion, or as a chemical feedstock.
In times of scarce petroleum, automobiles and even buses have been converted to burn wood gas (a gas mixture consisting primarily of diluting atmospheric nitrogen, but also containing combustible gasses, mostly carbon monoxide) released by burning charcoal or wood in a wood gas generator. In 1931 Tang Zhongming developed an automobile powered by charcoal, and these cars were popular in China until the 1950s and in occupied France during World War II (called gazogènes).
Water
From ancients times there is a certain machine called water mill. From the link.
A watermill or water mill is a mill that uses hydropower. It is a structure that uses a water wheel or water turbine to drive a mechanical process such as milling (grinding), rolling, or hammering. Such processes are needed in the production of many material goods, including flour, lumber, paper, textiles, and many metal products. These watermills may comprise gristmills, sawmills, paper mills, textile mills, hammermills, trip hammering mills, rolling mills, wire drawing mills.
The water wheel is medieval technology, while the water turbine is current technology.
Watermill works gathering mechanical energy from a flow of water, like a river.
Wind
In addition to watermills, there exist Windmills which channels mechanical power from the wind itself. From the link:
A windmill is a mill that converts the energy of wind into rotational energy by means of vanes called sails or blades. Centuries ago, windmills usually were used to mill grain (gristmills), pump water (windpumps), or both. The majority of modern windmills take the form of wind turbines used to generate electricity, or windpumps used to pump water, either for land drainage or to extract groundwater.
The today technology is called wind turbine.
Animals
Additionally, you can use animals, primary horses, in a horsemill. From the link:
A horse mill is a mill, sometimes used in conjunction with a watermill or windmill, that uses a horse engine as the power source. Any milling process can be powered in this way, but the most frequent use of animal power in horse mills was for grinding grain and pumping water. Other animal engines for powering mills are powered by dogs, donkeys, oxen or camels. Treadwheels are engines powered by humans.
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Poop! Poop! And more Poop!
But seriously, dried animal dung is a very common fuel, even today in some places.
You can burn it like wood.
Dry dung fuel (or dry manure fuel) is animal feces that has been dried
in order to be used as a fuel source. It is used as a fuel in many
countries around the world. Using dry manure as a fuel source is an
example of reuse of excreta. A disadvantage of using this kind of fuel
is increased air pollution. In India, this kind of fuel source is
known as "dung cakes". (ref)
You can power machines with it.
Stirling-Motor powered with cow dung in the Technical Collection Hochhut in Frankfurt on Main (ref)
You can power transportation.
The UK debuted its first poop-powered buses, which will transport
about 10,000 monthly commuters between Bath and Bristol Airport.
These "Bio-Buses" are the fruit of a partnership between the Bath Bus
Company and Bristol's sewage treatment system, which is run by a
company called GENeco. They can travel about 186 miles on the yearly
waste of five people, offering a more sustainable alternative to
natural gas-powered vehicles. (ref)
You can turn sewage into fuel in a variety of ways.
True to its rich history, poop-based energy has now evolved into a
multifaceted and diverse set of industries. In 2004, a waste
management facility in Renton, Washington received a $22,000,000
grant to build a power plant that could turn sewage into electricity.
The same year, a rancher figured out how to power his dairy farm with
cow patties and an engineering professor turned pig crap into crude
oil. (ref)
You can turn manure into natural gas.
Natural gas, though a significant contributor to climate change, is
the cleanest-burning fossil fuel. Turning cow manure into natural gas
would have three big advantages. First, it would turn animal waste, a
major source of carbon pollution, into a useful fuel. Second, it would
provide a new source of natural gas, which could be used to replace
dirtier fuels like coal and oil. Third, it would reduce the need for
fracking, the environmentally-destructive practice that extracts
natural gas from the earth. (ref)
Livestock waste yields biogas which is refined into natural gas (ref)
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In addition to @Ender Look's answer, I propose to you,
Solar
The first patent for a solar collector was obtained by the Italian Alessandro Battaglia in Genoa, Italy, in 1886. Over the following years, invеntors such as John Ericsson and Frank Shuman developed concentrating solar-powered dеvices for irrigation, refrigеration, and locomоtion. In 1913 Shuman finished a 55 HP parabolic solar thermal energy station in Maadi, Egypt for irrigation.
I am talking about concentrated solar power to be more specific, where solar rays are concentrated to heat water which turns a turbine.
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Direct answer: Water (if the planet has elevated lakes or rivers) and/or the plants you mentioned (if the plants can burn)
Basically when the planet has rivers or elevated lakes the aliens could build hydroelectric power plants and generate the energy though them
Or burn plants to heat air or any other gases/fluids to turn turbines and generate electricity this way.
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They will start with wood, and from that, charcoal. With access to coal comes metallurgy, better charcoal, and more metallurgy. Mechanical work can be done with aero- and hydro- mechanical power (i.e., water mills, windmills, etc.).
Then, from metallurgy and electromagnetism, comes hydroelectric power, and wind electric power. Also, thermosolar power (use of concentrator mirrors to drive a steam engine). If at some point they discover the photoelectric effect, after some time, they'll also have photovoltaic solar power.
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They will not use coal (or petroleum) if they don't have coal.
– jamesqf
4 hours ago
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Yes, fixed answer. I meant 'charcoal' -- English is not my native language, and it shows :-)
– LSerni
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Wind and water
To answer your question, look no further than the old industrial regions of the US and Europe right before coal became commercially viable. Every town had a mill pond, and below it, industry. Mills, presses, machine works, you name it. Plants had central shaft drive, with belts driving individual machines. That came off a water wheel.
Wind was used to pump. The famous Aermotor windmill, for instance. They are still in business, and are fairly crabby about people asking them how to make electricity with their windmill. Theirs is made to pump.
Transportation? Canals. That is how coal first made it to market in large enough quantities to become commercially useful.
Electricity transmits
For development of electricity, lack of fossil fuels wouldn't even be a speed bump. The first electric plants of any scale were hydro - starting for instance with facilities at Niagara Falls. It is still a large piece of the energy pie, especially in places rich with it, like eastern Canada and the American South. It even shows up in dry, dry California - flow is very poor but exploitable height makes up for it, like Oroville with a paltry 2000 CFM flow but 700' of head.
Coal already had it feet planted, but if it hadn't, windmill manufacturers would have had no trouble figuring out how to design windmill blades to run the right speed and autofeather so windmills can sync onto the power grid and do useful work.
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Wood
You said they don't have access to fossil fuels, but not to a forest. Using wood as fuel can be a good way to start gathering energy, in form of steam engine if you are looking for mechanical energy instead of heat. For the link:
A common hardwood, red oak, has an energy content (heat value) of 14.9 megajoules per kilogram [...]
Wood as fuel can be used in firewood, chips, wood pellets or sawdust, as residue from other process.
After your species advances more technologically, and want, for example, melt iron, they will develop charcoal using charcoal burner. From there, and there:
Charcoal burns at temperatures exceeding 1,100 degrees Celsius (2,010 degrees Fahrenheit). By comparison the melting point of iron is approximately 1,200 to 1,550 °C (2,190 to 2,820 °F). Due to its porosity, it is sensitive to the flow of air and the heat generated can be moderated by controlling the air flow to the fire. For this reason charcoal is still widely used by blacksmiths. Charcoal has been used for the production of iron since Roman times and steel in modern times where it also provided the necessary carbon. Charcoal briquettes can burn up to approximately 1,260 °C (2,300 °F) with a forced air blower forge.
[...]
Historically, charcoal was used in great quantities for smelting iron in bloomeries and later blast furnaces and finery forges.
Even more, you can make syngas with wood:
Like many other sources of carbon, charcoal can be used for the production of various syngas compositions; i.e., various CO + H2 + CO2 + N2 mixtures. The syngas is typically used as fuel, including automotive propulsion, or as a chemical feedstock.
In times of scarce petroleum, automobiles and even buses have been converted to burn wood gas (a gas mixture consisting primarily of diluting atmospheric nitrogen, but also containing combustible gasses, mostly carbon monoxide) released by burning charcoal or wood in a wood gas generator. In 1931 Tang Zhongming developed an automobile powered by charcoal, and these cars were popular in China until the 1950s and in occupied France during World War II (called gazogènes).
Water
From ancients times there is a certain machine called water mill. From the link.
A watermill or water mill is a mill that uses hydropower. It is a structure that uses a water wheel or water turbine to drive a mechanical process such as milling (grinding), rolling, or hammering. Such processes are needed in the production of many material goods, including flour, lumber, paper, textiles, and many metal products. These watermills may comprise gristmills, sawmills, paper mills, textile mills, hammermills, trip hammering mills, rolling mills, wire drawing mills.
The water wheel is medieval technology, while the water turbine is current technology.
Watermill works gathering mechanical energy from a flow of water, like a river.
Wind
In addition to watermills, there exist Windmills which channels mechanical power from the wind itself. From the link:
A windmill is a mill that converts the energy of wind into rotational energy by means of vanes called sails or blades. Centuries ago, windmills usually were used to mill grain (gristmills), pump water (windpumps), or both. The majority of modern windmills take the form of wind turbines used to generate electricity, or windpumps used to pump water, either for land drainage or to extract groundwater.
The today technology is called wind turbine.
Animals
Additionally, you can use animals, primary horses, in a horsemill. From the link:
A horse mill is a mill, sometimes used in conjunction with a watermill or windmill, that uses a horse engine as the power source. Any milling process can be powered in this way, but the most frequent use of animal power in horse mills was for grinding grain and pumping water. Other animal engines for powering mills are powered by dogs, donkeys, oxen or camels. Treadwheels are engines powered by humans.
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Wood
You said they don't have access to fossil fuels, but not to a forest. Using wood as fuel can be a good way to start gathering energy, in form of steam engine if you are looking for mechanical energy instead of heat. For the link:
A common hardwood, red oak, has an energy content (heat value) of 14.9 megajoules per kilogram [...]
Wood as fuel can be used in firewood, chips, wood pellets or sawdust, as residue from other process.
After your species advances more technologically, and want, for example, melt iron, they will develop charcoal using charcoal burner. From there, and there:
Charcoal burns at temperatures exceeding 1,100 degrees Celsius (2,010 degrees Fahrenheit). By comparison the melting point of iron is approximately 1,200 to 1,550 °C (2,190 to 2,820 °F). Due to its porosity, it is sensitive to the flow of air and the heat generated can be moderated by controlling the air flow to the fire. For this reason charcoal is still widely used by blacksmiths. Charcoal has been used for the production of iron since Roman times and steel in modern times where it also provided the necessary carbon. Charcoal briquettes can burn up to approximately 1,260 °C (2,300 °F) with a forced air blower forge.
[...]
Historically, charcoal was used in great quantities for smelting iron in bloomeries and later blast furnaces and finery forges.
Even more, you can make syngas with wood:
Like many other sources of carbon, charcoal can be used for the production of various syngas compositions; i.e., various CO + H2 + CO2 + N2 mixtures. The syngas is typically used as fuel, including automotive propulsion, or as a chemical feedstock.
In times of scarce petroleum, automobiles and even buses have been converted to burn wood gas (a gas mixture consisting primarily of diluting atmospheric nitrogen, but also containing combustible gasses, mostly carbon monoxide) released by burning charcoal or wood in a wood gas generator. In 1931 Tang Zhongming developed an automobile powered by charcoal, and these cars were popular in China until the 1950s and in occupied France during World War II (called gazogènes).
Water
From ancients times there is a certain machine called water mill. From the link.
A watermill or water mill is a mill that uses hydropower. It is a structure that uses a water wheel or water turbine to drive a mechanical process such as milling (grinding), rolling, or hammering. Such processes are needed in the production of many material goods, including flour, lumber, paper, textiles, and many metal products. These watermills may comprise gristmills, sawmills, paper mills, textile mills, hammermills, trip hammering mills, rolling mills, wire drawing mills.
The water wheel is medieval technology, while the water turbine is current technology.
Watermill works gathering mechanical energy from a flow of water, like a river.
Wind
In addition to watermills, there exist Windmills which channels mechanical power from the wind itself. From the link:
A windmill is a mill that converts the energy of wind into rotational energy by means of vanes called sails or blades. Centuries ago, windmills usually were used to mill grain (gristmills), pump water (windpumps), or both. The majority of modern windmills take the form of wind turbines used to generate electricity, or windpumps used to pump water, either for land drainage or to extract groundwater.
The today technology is called wind turbine.
Animals
Additionally, you can use animals, primary horses, in a horsemill. From the link:
A horse mill is a mill, sometimes used in conjunction with a watermill or windmill, that uses a horse engine as the power source. Any milling process can be powered in this way, but the most frequent use of animal power in horse mills was for grinding grain and pumping water. Other animal engines for powering mills are powered by dogs, donkeys, oxen or camels. Treadwheels are engines powered by humans.
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Wood
You said they don't have access to fossil fuels, but not to a forest. Using wood as fuel can be a good way to start gathering energy, in form of steam engine if you are looking for mechanical energy instead of heat. For the link:
A common hardwood, red oak, has an energy content (heat value) of 14.9 megajoules per kilogram [...]
Wood as fuel can be used in firewood, chips, wood pellets or sawdust, as residue from other process.
After your species advances more technologically, and want, for example, melt iron, they will develop charcoal using charcoal burner. From there, and there:
Charcoal burns at temperatures exceeding 1,100 degrees Celsius (2,010 degrees Fahrenheit). By comparison the melting point of iron is approximately 1,200 to 1,550 °C (2,190 to 2,820 °F). Due to its porosity, it is sensitive to the flow of air and the heat generated can be moderated by controlling the air flow to the fire. For this reason charcoal is still widely used by blacksmiths. Charcoal has been used for the production of iron since Roman times and steel in modern times where it also provided the necessary carbon. Charcoal briquettes can burn up to approximately 1,260 °C (2,300 °F) with a forced air blower forge.
[...]
Historically, charcoal was used in great quantities for smelting iron in bloomeries and later blast furnaces and finery forges.
Even more, you can make syngas with wood:
Like many other sources of carbon, charcoal can be used for the production of various syngas compositions; i.e., various CO + H2 + CO2 + N2 mixtures. The syngas is typically used as fuel, including automotive propulsion, or as a chemical feedstock.
In times of scarce petroleum, automobiles and even buses have been converted to burn wood gas (a gas mixture consisting primarily of diluting atmospheric nitrogen, but also containing combustible gasses, mostly carbon monoxide) released by burning charcoal or wood in a wood gas generator. In 1931 Tang Zhongming developed an automobile powered by charcoal, and these cars were popular in China until the 1950s and in occupied France during World War II (called gazogènes).
Water
From ancients times there is a certain machine called water mill. From the link.
A watermill or water mill is a mill that uses hydropower. It is a structure that uses a water wheel or water turbine to drive a mechanical process such as milling (grinding), rolling, or hammering. Such processes are needed in the production of many material goods, including flour, lumber, paper, textiles, and many metal products. These watermills may comprise gristmills, sawmills, paper mills, textile mills, hammermills, trip hammering mills, rolling mills, wire drawing mills.
The water wheel is medieval technology, while the water turbine is current technology.
Watermill works gathering mechanical energy from a flow of water, like a river.
Wind
In addition to watermills, there exist Windmills which channels mechanical power from the wind itself. From the link:
A windmill is a mill that converts the energy of wind into rotational energy by means of vanes called sails or blades. Centuries ago, windmills usually were used to mill grain (gristmills), pump water (windpumps), or both. The majority of modern windmills take the form of wind turbines used to generate electricity, or windpumps used to pump water, either for land drainage or to extract groundwater.
The today technology is called wind turbine.
Animals
Additionally, you can use animals, primary horses, in a horsemill. From the link:
A horse mill is a mill, sometimes used in conjunction with a watermill or windmill, that uses a horse engine as the power source. Any milling process can be powered in this way, but the most frequent use of animal power in horse mills was for grinding grain and pumping water. Other animal engines for powering mills are powered by dogs, donkeys, oxen or camels. Treadwheels are engines powered by humans.
Wood
You said they don't have access to fossil fuels, but not to a forest. Using wood as fuel can be a good way to start gathering energy, in form of steam engine if you are looking for mechanical energy instead of heat. For the link:
A common hardwood, red oak, has an energy content (heat value) of 14.9 megajoules per kilogram [...]
Wood as fuel can be used in firewood, chips, wood pellets or sawdust, as residue from other process.
After your species advances more technologically, and want, for example, melt iron, they will develop charcoal using charcoal burner. From there, and there:
Charcoal burns at temperatures exceeding 1,100 degrees Celsius (2,010 degrees Fahrenheit). By comparison the melting point of iron is approximately 1,200 to 1,550 °C (2,190 to 2,820 °F). Due to its porosity, it is sensitive to the flow of air and the heat generated can be moderated by controlling the air flow to the fire. For this reason charcoal is still widely used by blacksmiths. Charcoal has been used for the production of iron since Roman times and steel in modern times where it also provided the necessary carbon. Charcoal briquettes can burn up to approximately 1,260 °C (2,300 °F) with a forced air blower forge.
[...]
Historically, charcoal was used in great quantities for smelting iron in bloomeries and later blast furnaces and finery forges.
Even more, you can make syngas with wood:
Like many other sources of carbon, charcoal can be used for the production of various syngas compositions; i.e., various CO + H2 + CO2 + N2 mixtures. The syngas is typically used as fuel, including automotive propulsion, or as a chemical feedstock.
In times of scarce petroleum, automobiles and even buses have been converted to burn wood gas (a gas mixture consisting primarily of diluting atmospheric nitrogen, but also containing combustible gasses, mostly carbon monoxide) released by burning charcoal or wood in a wood gas generator. In 1931 Tang Zhongming developed an automobile powered by charcoal, and these cars were popular in China until the 1950s and in occupied France during World War II (called gazogènes).
Water
From ancients times there is a certain machine called water mill. From the link.
A watermill or water mill is a mill that uses hydropower. It is a structure that uses a water wheel or water turbine to drive a mechanical process such as milling (grinding), rolling, or hammering. Such processes are needed in the production of many material goods, including flour, lumber, paper, textiles, and many metal products. These watermills may comprise gristmills, sawmills, paper mills, textile mills, hammermills, trip hammering mills, rolling mills, wire drawing mills.
The water wheel is medieval technology, while the water turbine is current technology.
Watermill works gathering mechanical energy from a flow of water, like a river.
Wind
In addition to watermills, there exist Windmills which channels mechanical power from the wind itself. From the link:
A windmill is a mill that converts the energy of wind into rotational energy by means of vanes called sails or blades. Centuries ago, windmills usually were used to mill grain (gristmills), pump water (windpumps), or both. The majority of modern windmills take the form of wind turbines used to generate electricity, or windpumps used to pump water, either for land drainage or to extract groundwater.
The today technology is called wind turbine.
Animals
Additionally, you can use animals, primary horses, in a horsemill. From the link:
A horse mill is a mill, sometimes used in conjunction with a watermill or windmill, that uses a horse engine as the power source. Any milling process can be powered in this way, but the most frequent use of animal power in horse mills was for grinding grain and pumping water. Other animal engines for powering mills are powered by dogs, donkeys, oxen or camels. Treadwheels are engines powered by humans.
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Poop! Poop! And more Poop!
But seriously, dried animal dung is a very common fuel, even today in some places.
You can burn it like wood.
Dry dung fuel (or dry manure fuel) is animal feces that has been dried
in order to be used as a fuel source. It is used as a fuel in many
countries around the world. Using dry manure as a fuel source is an
example of reuse of excreta. A disadvantage of using this kind of fuel
is increased air pollution. In India, this kind of fuel source is
known as "dung cakes". (ref)
You can power machines with it.
Stirling-Motor powered with cow dung in the Technical Collection Hochhut in Frankfurt on Main (ref)
You can power transportation.
The UK debuted its first poop-powered buses, which will transport
about 10,000 monthly commuters between Bath and Bristol Airport.
These "Bio-Buses" are the fruit of a partnership between the Bath Bus
Company and Bristol's sewage treatment system, which is run by a
company called GENeco. They can travel about 186 miles on the yearly
waste of five people, offering a more sustainable alternative to
natural gas-powered vehicles. (ref)
You can turn sewage into fuel in a variety of ways.
True to its rich history, poop-based energy has now evolved into a
multifaceted and diverse set of industries. In 2004, a waste
management facility in Renton, Washington received a $22,000,000
grant to build a power plant that could turn sewage into electricity.
The same year, a rancher figured out how to power his dairy farm with
cow patties and an engineering professor turned pig crap into crude
oil. (ref)
You can turn manure into natural gas.
Natural gas, though a significant contributor to climate change, is
the cleanest-burning fossil fuel. Turning cow manure into natural gas
would have three big advantages. First, it would turn animal waste, a
major source of carbon pollution, into a useful fuel. Second, it would
provide a new source of natural gas, which could be used to replace
dirtier fuels like coal and oil. Third, it would reduce the need for
fracking, the environmentally-destructive practice that extracts
natural gas from the earth. (ref)
Livestock waste yields biogas which is refined into natural gas (ref)
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Poop! Poop! And more Poop!
But seriously, dried animal dung is a very common fuel, even today in some places.
You can burn it like wood.
Dry dung fuel (or dry manure fuel) is animal feces that has been dried
in order to be used as a fuel source. It is used as a fuel in many
countries around the world. Using dry manure as a fuel source is an
example of reuse of excreta. A disadvantage of using this kind of fuel
is increased air pollution. In India, this kind of fuel source is
known as "dung cakes". (ref)
You can power machines with it.
Stirling-Motor powered with cow dung in the Technical Collection Hochhut in Frankfurt on Main (ref)
You can power transportation.
The UK debuted its first poop-powered buses, which will transport
about 10,000 monthly commuters between Bath and Bristol Airport.
These "Bio-Buses" are the fruit of a partnership between the Bath Bus
Company and Bristol's sewage treatment system, which is run by a
company called GENeco. They can travel about 186 miles on the yearly
waste of five people, offering a more sustainable alternative to
natural gas-powered vehicles. (ref)
You can turn sewage into fuel in a variety of ways.
True to its rich history, poop-based energy has now evolved into a
multifaceted and diverse set of industries. In 2004, a waste
management facility in Renton, Washington received a $22,000,000
grant to build a power plant that could turn sewage into electricity.
The same year, a rancher figured out how to power his dairy farm with
cow patties and an engineering professor turned pig crap into crude
oil. (ref)
You can turn manure into natural gas.
Natural gas, though a significant contributor to climate change, is
the cleanest-burning fossil fuel. Turning cow manure into natural gas
would have three big advantages. First, it would turn animal waste, a
major source of carbon pollution, into a useful fuel. Second, it would
provide a new source of natural gas, which could be used to replace
dirtier fuels like coal and oil. Third, it would reduce the need for
fracking, the environmentally-destructive practice that extracts
natural gas from the earth. (ref)
Livestock waste yields biogas which is refined into natural gas (ref)
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Poop! Poop! And more Poop!
But seriously, dried animal dung is a very common fuel, even today in some places.
You can burn it like wood.
Dry dung fuel (or dry manure fuel) is animal feces that has been dried
in order to be used as a fuel source. It is used as a fuel in many
countries around the world. Using dry manure as a fuel source is an
example of reuse of excreta. A disadvantage of using this kind of fuel
is increased air pollution. In India, this kind of fuel source is
known as "dung cakes". (ref)
You can power machines with it.
Stirling-Motor powered with cow dung in the Technical Collection Hochhut in Frankfurt on Main (ref)
You can power transportation.
The UK debuted its first poop-powered buses, which will transport
about 10,000 monthly commuters between Bath and Bristol Airport.
These "Bio-Buses" are the fruit of a partnership between the Bath Bus
Company and Bristol's sewage treatment system, which is run by a
company called GENeco. They can travel about 186 miles on the yearly
waste of five people, offering a more sustainable alternative to
natural gas-powered vehicles. (ref)
You can turn sewage into fuel in a variety of ways.
True to its rich history, poop-based energy has now evolved into a
multifaceted and diverse set of industries. In 2004, a waste
management facility in Renton, Washington received a $22,000,000
grant to build a power plant that could turn sewage into electricity.
The same year, a rancher figured out how to power his dairy farm with
cow patties and an engineering professor turned pig crap into crude
oil. (ref)
You can turn manure into natural gas.
Natural gas, though a significant contributor to climate change, is
the cleanest-burning fossil fuel. Turning cow manure into natural gas
would have three big advantages. First, it would turn animal waste, a
major source of carbon pollution, into a useful fuel. Second, it would
provide a new source of natural gas, which could be used to replace
dirtier fuels like coal and oil. Third, it would reduce the need for
fracking, the environmentally-destructive practice that extracts
natural gas from the earth. (ref)
Livestock waste yields biogas which is refined into natural gas (ref)
Poop! Poop! And more Poop!
But seriously, dried animal dung is a very common fuel, even today in some places.
You can burn it like wood.
Dry dung fuel (or dry manure fuel) is animal feces that has been dried
in order to be used as a fuel source. It is used as a fuel in many
countries around the world. Using dry manure as a fuel source is an
example of reuse of excreta. A disadvantage of using this kind of fuel
is increased air pollution. In India, this kind of fuel source is
known as "dung cakes". (ref)
You can power machines with it.
Stirling-Motor powered with cow dung in the Technical Collection Hochhut in Frankfurt on Main (ref)
You can power transportation.
The UK debuted its first poop-powered buses, which will transport
about 10,000 monthly commuters between Bath and Bristol Airport.
These "Bio-Buses" are the fruit of a partnership between the Bath Bus
Company and Bristol's sewage treatment system, which is run by a
company called GENeco. They can travel about 186 miles on the yearly
waste of five people, offering a more sustainable alternative to
natural gas-powered vehicles. (ref)
You can turn sewage into fuel in a variety of ways.
True to its rich history, poop-based energy has now evolved into a
multifaceted and diverse set of industries. In 2004, a waste
management facility in Renton, Washington received a $22,000,000
grant to build a power plant that could turn sewage into electricity.
The same year, a rancher figured out how to power his dairy farm with
cow patties and an engineering professor turned pig crap into crude
oil. (ref)
You can turn manure into natural gas.
Natural gas, though a significant contributor to climate change, is
the cleanest-burning fossil fuel. Turning cow manure into natural gas
would have three big advantages. First, it would turn animal waste, a
major source of carbon pollution, into a useful fuel. Second, it would
provide a new source of natural gas, which could be used to replace
dirtier fuels like coal and oil. Third, it would reduce the need for
fracking, the environmentally-destructive practice that extracts
natural gas from the earth. (ref)
Livestock waste yields biogas which is refined into natural gas (ref)
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In addition to @Ender Look's answer, I propose to you,
Solar
The first patent for a solar collector was obtained by the Italian Alessandro Battaglia in Genoa, Italy, in 1886. Over the following years, invеntors such as John Ericsson and Frank Shuman developed concentrating solar-powered dеvices for irrigation, refrigеration, and locomоtion. In 1913 Shuman finished a 55 HP parabolic solar thermal energy station in Maadi, Egypt for irrigation.
I am talking about concentrated solar power to be more specific, where solar rays are concentrated to heat water which turns a turbine.
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In addition to @Ender Look's answer, I propose to you,
Solar
The first patent for a solar collector was obtained by the Italian Alessandro Battaglia in Genoa, Italy, in 1886. Over the following years, invеntors such as John Ericsson and Frank Shuman developed concentrating solar-powered dеvices for irrigation, refrigеration, and locomоtion. In 1913 Shuman finished a 55 HP parabolic solar thermal energy station in Maadi, Egypt for irrigation.
I am talking about concentrated solar power to be more specific, where solar rays are concentrated to heat water which turns a turbine.
add a comment |
In addition to @Ender Look's answer, I propose to you,
Solar
The first patent for a solar collector was obtained by the Italian Alessandro Battaglia in Genoa, Italy, in 1886. Over the following years, invеntors such as John Ericsson and Frank Shuman developed concentrating solar-powered dеvices for irrigation, refrigеration, and locomоtion. In 1913 Shuman finished a 55 HP parabolic solar thermal energy station in Maadi, Egypt for irrigation.
I am talking about concentrated solar power to be more specific, where solar rays are concentrated to heat water which turns a turbine.
In addition to @Ender Look's answer, I propose to you,
Solar
The first patent for a solar collector was obtained by the Italian Alessandro Battaglia in Genoa, Italy, in 1886. Over the following years, invеntors such as John Ericsson and Frank Shuman developed concentrating solar-powered dеvices for irrigation, refrigеration, and locomоtion. In 1913 Shuman finished a 55 HP parabolic solar thermal energy station in Maadi, Egypt for irrigation.
I am talking about concentrated solar power to be more specific, where solar rays are concentrated to heat water which turns a turbine.
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Direct answer: Water (if the planet has elevated lakes or rivers) and/or the plants you mentioned (if the plants can burn)
Basically when the planet has rivers or elevated lakes the aliens could build hydroelectric power plants and generate the energy though them
Or burn plants to heat air or any other gases/fluids to turn turbines and generate electricity this way.
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Direct answer: Water (if the planet has elevated lakes or rivers) and/or the plants you mentioned (if the plants can burn)
Basically when the planet has rivers or elevated lakes the aliens could build hydroelectric power plants and generate the energy though them
Or burn plants to heat air or any other gases/fluids to turn turbines and generate electricity this way.
New contributor
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Direct answer: Water (if the planet has elevated lakes or rivers) and/or the plants you mentioned (if the plants can burn)
Basically when the planet has rivers or elevated lakes the aliens could build hydroelectric power plants and generate the energy though them
Or burn plants to heat air or any other gases/fluids to turn turbines and generate electricity this way.
New contributor
Direct answer: Water (if the planet has elevated lakes or rivers) and/or the plants you mentioned (if the plants can burn)
Basically when the planet has rivers or elevated lakes the aliens could build hydroelectric power plants and generate the energy though them
Or burn plants to heat air or any other gases/fluids to turn turbines and generate electricity this way.
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They will start with wood, and from that, charcoal. With access to coal comes metallurgy, better charcoal, and more metallurgy. Mechanical work can be done with aero- and hydro- mechanical power (i.e., water mills, windmills, etc.).
Then, from metallurgy and electromagnetism, comes hydroelectric power, and wind electric power. Also, thermosolar power (use of concentrator mirrors to drive a steam engine). If at some point they discover the photoelectric effect, after some time, they'll also have photovoltaic solar power.
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They will not use coal (or petroleum) if they don't have coal.
– jamesqf
4 hours ago
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Yes, fixed answer. I meant 'charcoal' -- English is not my native language, and it shows :-)
– LSerni
3 hours ago
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They will start with wood, and from that, charcoal. With access to coal comes metallurgy, better charcoal, and more metallurgy. Mechanical work can be done with aero- and hydro- mechanical power (i.e., water mills, windmills, etc.).
Then, from metallurgy and electromagnetism, comes hydroelectric power, and wind electric power. Also, thermosolar power (use of concentrator mirrors to drive a steam engine). If at some point they discover the photoelectric effect, after some time, they'll also have photovoltaic solar power.
1
They will not use coal (or petroleum) if they don't have coal.
– jamesqf
4 hours ago
1
Yes, fixed answer. I meant 'charcoal' -- English is not my native language, and it shows :-)
– LSerni
3 hours ago
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They will start with wood, and from that, charcoal. With access to coal comes metallurgy, better charcoal, and more metallurgy. Mechanical work can be done with aero- and hydro- mechanical power (i.e., water mills, windmills, etc.).
Then, from metallurgy and electromagnetism, comes hydroelectric power, and wind electric power. Also, thermosolar power (use of concentrator mirrors to drive a steam engine). If at some point they discover the photoelectric effect, after some time, they'll also have photovoltaic solar power.
They will start with wood, and from that, charcoal. With access to coal comes metallurgy, better charcoal, and more metallurgy. Mechanical work can be done with aero- and hydro- mechanical power (i.e., water mills, windmills, etc.).
Then, from metallurgy and electromagnetism, comes hydroelectric power, and wind electric power. Also, thermosolar power (use of concentrator mirrors to drive a steam engine). If at some point they discover the photoelectric effect, after some time, they'll also have photovoltaic solar power.
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They will not use coal (or petroleum) if they don't have coal.
– jamesqf
4 hours ago
1
Yes, fixed answer. I meant 'charcoal' -- English is not my native language, and it shows :-)
– LSerni
3 hours ago
add a comment |
1
They will not use coal (or petroleum) if they don't have coal.
– jamesqf
4 hours ago
1
Yes, fixed answer. I meant 'charcoal' -- English is not my native language, and it shows :-)
– LSerni
3 hours ago
1
1
They will not use coal (or petroleum) if they don't have coal.
– jamesqf
4 hours ago
They will not use coal (or petroleum) if they don't have coal.
– jamesqf
4 hours ago
1
1
Yes, fixed answer. I meant 'charcoal' -- English is not my native language, and it shows :-)
– LSerni
3 hours ago
Yes, fixed answer. I meant 'charcoal' -- English is not my native language, and it shows :-)
– LSerni
3 hours ago
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Wind and water
To answer your question, look no further than the old industrial regions of the US and Europe right before coal became commercially viable. Every town had a mill pond, and below it, industry. Mills, presses, machine works, you name it. Plants had central shaft drive, with belts driving individual machines. That came off a water wheel.
Wind was used to pump. The famous Aermotor windmill, for instance. They are still in business, and are fairly crabby about people asking them how to make electricity with their windmill. Theirs is made to pump.
Transportation? Canals. That is how coal first made it to market in large enough quantities to become commercially useful.
Electricity transmits
For development of electricity, lack of fossil fuels wouldn't even be a speed bump. The first electric plants of any scale were hydro - starting for instance with facilities at Niagara Falls. It is still a large piece of the energy pie, especially in places rich with it, like eastern Canada and the American South. It even shows up in dry, dry California - flow is very poor but exploitable height makes up for it, like Oroville with a paltry 2000 CFM flow but 700' of head.
Coal already had it feet planted, but if it hadn't, windmill manufacturers would have had no trouble figuring out how to design windmill blades to run the right speed and autofeather so windmills can sync onto the power grid and do useful work.
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Wind and water
To answer your question, look no further than the old industrial regions of the US and Europe right before coal became commercially viable. Every town had a mill pond, and below it, industry. Mills, presses, machine works, you name it. Plants had central shaft drive, with belts driving individual machines. That came off a water wheel.
Wind was used to pump. The famous Aermotor windmill, for instance. They are still in business, and are fairly crabby about people asking them how to make electricity with their windmill. Theirs is made to pump.
Transportation? Canals. That is how coal first made it to market in large enough quantities to become commercially useful.
Electricity transmits
For development of electricity, lack of fossil fuels wouldn't even be a speed bump. The first electric plants of any scale were hydro - starting for instance with facilities at Niagara Falls. It is still a large piece of the energy pie, especially in places rich with it, like eastern Canada and the American South. It even shows up in dry, dry California - flow is very poor but exploitable height makes up for it, like Oroville with a paltry 2000 CFM flow but 700' of head.
Coal already had it feet planted, but if it hadn't, windmill manufacturers would have had no trouble figuring out how to design windmill blades to run the right speed and autofeather so windmills can sync onto the power grid and do useful work.
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Wind and water
To answer your question, look no further than the old industrial regions of the US and Europe right before coal became commercially viable. Every town had a mill pond, and below it, industry. Mills, presses, machine works, you name it. Plants had central shaft drive, with belts driving individual machines. That came off a water wheel.
Wind was used to pump. The famous Aermotor windmill, for instance. They are still in business, and are fairly crabby about people asking them how to make electricity with their windmill. Theirs is made to pump.
Transportation? Canals. That is how coal first made it to market in large enough quantities to become commercially useful.
Electricity transmits
For development of electricity, lack of fossil fuels wouldn't even be a speed bump. The first electric plants of any scale were hydro - starting for instance with facilities at Niagara Falls. It is still a large piece of the energy pie, especially in places rich with it, like eastern Canada and the American South. It even shows up in dry, dry California - flow is very poor but exploitable height makes up for it, like Oroville with a paltry 2000 CFM flow but 700' of head.
Coal already had it feet planted, but if it hadn't, windmill manufacturers would have had no trouble figuring out how to design windmill blades to run the right speed and autofeather so windmills can sync onto the power grid and do useful work.
Wind and water
To answer your question, look no further than the old industrial regions of the US and Europe right before coal became commercially viable. Every town had a mill pond, and below it, industry. Mills, presses, machine works, you name it. Plants had central shaft drive, with belts driving individual machines. That came off a water wheel.
Wind was used to pump. The famous Aermotor windmill, for instance. They are still in business, and are fairly crabby about people asking them how to make electricity with their windmill. Theirs is made to pump.
Transportation? Canals. That is how coal first made it to market in large enough quantities to become commercially useful.
Electricity transmits
For development of electricity, lack of fossil fuels wouldn't even be a speed bump. The first electric plants of any scale were hydro - starting for instance with facilities at Niagara Falls. It is still a large piece of the energy pie, especially in places rich with it, like eastern Canada and the American South. It even shows up in dry, dry California - flow is very poor but exploitable height makes up for it, like Oroville with a paltry 2000 CFM flow but 700' of head.
Coal already had it feet planted, but if it hadn't, windmill manufacturers would have had no trouble figuring out how to design windmill blades to run the right speed and autofeather so windmills can sync onto the power grid and do useful work.
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Burning wood and plant and animal oils seems obvious. Any reason why they can't use those?
– nzaman
5 hours ago
Human civilization did not use fossil fuels until the second industrial revolution, in the 18th century. The ancient civilizations, the medieval civilizations, the early modern civilizations did not use fossil fuels. (All right, they used a very little coal, in some places and for limited purposes.) Hint: wood, wind, rivers, oxen, horses.
– AlexP
5 hours ago
An obvious reason for them not having fossil fuels is that a precursor race used them all. And then went extinct due to the effects of global warming, leaving the new race to evolve intelligence in less time than it takes to form fossil fuel deposits. Think current humans, and the new intelligence evolving from rats :-)
– jamesqf
4 hours ago
Light their cities? Light their cities? What human civilization had public illumination in pre-modern or early-modern times?
– AlexP
4 hours ago
@AlexP - Paris? They count as civilized. But when does early modern start?
– Willk
4 hours ago