Can I use British English in an Australian conference paper?
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I have written a peer-reviewed paper for an Australian academic conference. The reviews are favourable with a number of small and helpful suggestions. However, one reviewer has criticised the use of the word "amongst", saying it is archaic and should not therefore be used in a technical paper.
In British English, "amongst" is more commonly used in everyday and technical language, and to my (British) ear, it fits better than the alternative "among" in the context that I have used it. In fact, it was introduced to the language more recently. However, in US English, it is less often used and could be considered archaic. Australian English has many similarities with American English, so it may be considered archaic there too.
My question is whether the paper should be "corrected" to Australian English as it is an Australian conference, or if "correct" UK English should be allowed from a UK writer?
I am not trying to pick a fight, and the acceptance of the paper is not at stake - this is merely a suggestion from the reviewer - but I am interested in what would be considered the correct approach.
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I have written a peer-reviewed paper for an Australian academic conference. The reviews are favourable with a number of small and helpful suggestions. However, one reviewer has criticised the use of the word "amongst", saying it is archaic and should not therefore be used in a technical paper.
In British English, "amongst" is more commonly used in everyday and technical language, and to my (British) ear, it fits better than the alternative "among" in the context that I have used it. In fact, it was introduced to the language more recently. However, in US English, it is less often used and could be considered archaic. Australian English has many similarities with American English, so it may be considered archaic there too.
My question is whether the paper should be "corrected" to Australian English as it is an Australian conference, or if "correct" UK English should be allowed from a UK writer?
I am not trying to pick a fight, and the acceptance of the paper is not at stake - this is merely a suggestion from the reviewer - but I am interested in what would be considered the correct approach.
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Some reviewers feel the need to point out a few typos or nitpick some grammar to "prove" that they read the paper. I would not take such a comment seriously.
– Thomas
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What!!! That comment is so odd. We do use amongst and whilst, no problem. In fact, Australian English is typically British except for tiny variations. We use colour not color, behaviour not behavior, optimisation not optimization. I don't think you need to take this comment too seriously.
– ThunderDownUnder
2 days ago
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Google Ngram disagrees with your claim that "amongst" is more common than "among" in British English: "among" has more than five times the frequency and has always been much more common. "Amongst" just adds two redundant letters but I will fight to the death for your right to use it. Well, not to the death. But your reviewer is being silly.
– David Richerby
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@Thomas One could even choose to read it as a subtle compliment: "Your paper was so good that this is the most significant 'problem' I could find."
– chepner
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@penelope "just expect more of these types of comments if you don't chose the US-flavour" *US-flavor (just kidding, of course. :) )
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I have written a peer-reviewed paper for an Australian academic conference. The reviews are favourable with a number of small and helpful suggestions. However, one reviewer has criticised the use of the word "amongst", saying it is archaic and should not therefore be used in a technical paper.
In British English, "amongst" is more commonly used in everyday and technical language, and to my (British) ear, it fits better than the alternative "among" in the context that I have used it. In fact, it was introduced to the language more recently. However, in US English, it is less often used and could be considered archaic. Australian English has many similarities with American English, so it may be considered archaic there too.
My question is whether the paper should be "corrected" to Australian English as it is an Australian conference, or if "correct" UK English should be allowed from a UK writer?
I am not trying to pick a fight, and the acceptance of the paper is not at stake - this is merely a suggestion from the reviewer - but I am interested in what would be considered the correct approach.
peer-review conference language australia
I have written a peer-reviewed paper for an Australian academic conference. The reviews are favourable with a number of small and helpful suggestions. However, one reviewer has criticised the use of the word "amongst", saying it is archaic and should not therefore be used in a technical paper.
In British English, "amongst" is more commonly used in everyday and technical language, and to my (British) ear, it fits better than the alternative "among" in the context that I have used it. In fact, it was introduced to the language more recently. However, in US English, it is less often used and could be considered archaic. Australian English has many similarities with American English, so it may be considered archaic there too.
My question is whether the paper should be "corrected" to Australian English as it is an Australian conference, or if "correct" UK English should be allowed from a UK writer?
I am not trying to pick a fight, and the acceptance of the paper is not at stake - this is merely a suggestion from the reviewer - but I am interested in what would be considered the correct approach.
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Some reviewers feel the need to point out a few typos or nitpick some grammar to "prove" that they read the paper. I would not take such a comment seriously.
– Thomas
2 days ago
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What!!! That comment is so odd. We do use amongst and whilst, no problem. In fact, Australian English is typically British except for tiny variations. We use colour not color, behaviour not behavior, optimisation not optimization. I don't think you need to take this comment too seriously.
– ThunderDownUnder
2 days ago
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Google Ngram disagrees with your claim that "amongst" is more common than "among" in British English: "among" has more than five times the frequency and has always been much more common. "Amongst" just adds two redundant letters but I will fight to the death for your right to use it. Well, not to the death. But your reviewer is being silly.
– David Richerby
2 days ago
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@Thomas One could even choose to read it as a subtle compliment: "Your paper was so good that this is the most significant 'problem' I could find."
– chepner
2 days ago
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@penelope "just expect more of these types of comments if you don't chose the US-flavour" *US-flavor (just kidding, of course. :) )
– reirab
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Some reviewers feel the need to point out a few typos or nitpick some grammar to "prove" that they read the paper. I would not take such a comment seriously.
– Thomas
2 days ago
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What!!! That comment is so odd. We do use amongst and whilst, no problem. In fact, Australian English is typically British except for tiny variations. We use colour not color, behaviour not behavior, optimisation not optimization. I don't think you need to take this comment too seriously.
– ThunderDownUnder
2 days ago
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Google Ngram disagrees with your claim that "amongst" is more common than "among" in British English: "among" has more than five times the frequency and has always been much more common. "Amongst" just adds two redundant letters but I will fight to the death for your right to use it. Well, not to the death. But your reviewer is being silly.
– David Richerby
2 days ago
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@Thomas One could even choose to read it as a subtle compliment: "Your paper was so good that this is the most significant 'problem' I could find."
– chepner
2 days ago
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@penelope "just expect more of these types of comments if you don't chose the US-flavour" *US-flavor (just kidding, of course. :) )
– reirab
yesterday
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Some reviewers feel the need to point out a few typos or nitpick some grammar to "prove" that they read the paper. I would not take such a comment seriously.
– Thomas
2 days ago
Some reviewers feel the need to point out a few typos or nitpick some grammar to "prove" that they read the paper. I would not take such a comment seriously.
– Thomas
2 days ago
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What!!! That comment is so odd. We do use amongst and whilst, no problem. In fact, Australian English is typically British except for tiny variations. We use colour not color, behaviour not behavior, optimisation not optimization. I don't think you need to take this comment too seriously.
– ThunderDownUnder
2 days ago
What!!! That comment is so odd. We do use amongst and whilst, no problem. In fact, Australian English is typically British except for tiny variations. We use colour not color, behaviour not behavior, optimisation not optimization. I don't think you need to take this comment too seriously.
– ThunderDownUnder
2 days ago
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Google Ngram disagrees with your claim that "amongst" is more common than "among" in British English: "among" has more than five times the frequency and has always been much more common. "Amongst" just adds two redundant letters but I will fight to the death for your right to use it. Well, not to the death. But your reviewer is being silly.
– David Richerby
2 days ago
Google Ngram disagrees with your claim that "amongst" is more common than "among" in British English: "among" has more than five times the frequency and has always been much more common. "Amongst" just adds two redundant letters but I will fight to the death for your right to use it. Well, not to the death. But your reviewer is being silly.
– David Richerby
2 days ago
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@Thomas One could even choose to read it as a subtle compliment: "Your paper was so good that this is the most significant 'problem' I could find."
– chepner
2 days ago
@Thomas One could even choose to read it as a subtle compliment: "Your paper was so good that this is the most significant 'problem' I could find."
– chepner
2 days ago
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@penelope "just expect more of these types of comments if you don't chose the US-flavour" *US-flavor (just kidding, of course. :) )
– reirab
yesterday
@penelope "just expect more of these types of comments if you don't chose the US-flavour" *US-flavor (just kidding, of course. :) )
– reirab
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My question is whether the paper should be "corrected" to Australian
English as it is an Australian conference, or if "correct" UK English
should be allowed from a UK writer?
British English is acceptable in US-based or other places conferences that do not use British English. Each conference writes their requireements in the Call for Papers. Mostly, international conferences require English. But it is unreasonable to require specific English. Even if it Australian-based conference. Any English is acceptable. Just be consistent in the whole text on the English you choose.
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I am not trying to pick a fight, and the acceptance of the paper is not at stake - this is merely a suggestion from the reviewer
I think you (and some of the other answers) are overthinking this. Suggestions from reviewers are precisely that - suggestions. Some are good, some are less good, and you are free to adopt or ignore them at your pleasure. There is nothing at stake here no matter what you decide. Hence, I feel that the analyses of the relative frequency of usage of “among” vs “amongst” in British English, and other such considerations being brought up, are simply beside the point. This is one occasion where you can literally do whatever you want. Feels nice, doesn’t it? ;-)
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ikr, but just look how much academics love to overthink!
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Until the 70s in Australia we spoke officially in Received Pronunciation and Received Standard was our official grammar standard. Those days are past. And 95% of Australians did not speak that way.
The most official standard is the Australian Government Style Guide. However most organisations do not follow it. Harvard and Chicago are both more popular.
The second most official is the Macquarie Dictionary. See https://www.macquariedictionary.com.au/ (but it's not free).
This is Oxford's Dictionary take on it. https://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2013/02/05/among-amongst/
The practise in Australia is to simplify older longer words with shorter words. Having said that, not everyone agrees.
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I wonder: What is the percentage of English people who do not speak in Received Pronunciation? I wouldn't be surprised if it is around 95%, and of course the percentage of British people not speaking RP will be higher still. For Australia, 95% is much lower than I would have expected, though I've never been there.
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Generally, unless there is a specific rule in the call for papers, any geographic variety of English should be acceptable, particularly if it conforms to the formal usage of a country with large numbers of native speakers (i.e., the U.S., the U.K., Canada, Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa). When there is such a rule, it is most likely to be confined to matters of spelling and punctuation, leaving aside issues of vocabulary and grammar.
The reviewer in this case is likely to be American, as we Americans, forming the overwhelming majority of native speakers and lacking as strong a cultural connection with the U.K. as the other English-speaking countries have, generally have the lowest awareness of usage in other countries. Even if amongst were uncommon in Australia, which it isn't, few Australians would be so unfamiliar with British usage as to comment on it.
It's true that a number of words commonly used in Britain, amongst among them, sound somewhat bookish to American ears. That's because we read them but rarely hear them. "Archaic" is a real exaggeration, though.
I think a tactful reviewer reading a mostly well-written paper with a handful of things that sound odd to them should ideally be aware of the possibility that these might be legitimate geographic variants. Realistically, this won't always be the case.
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If it is just the one word amongst
, change it and move on. I doubt that the strength or validity of your paper hinges on use of that word.
Now, if they said the paper in its entirety is in the wrong English it would be best to ask the editor whether the journal/conference agrees. It would take a considerable amount of work to rewrite a paper in an unfamiliar dialect, and the strength of the paper could suffer.
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What if it's the two words, "amongst" and "whilst"? ;-)
– David Richerby
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It may take a whilst to convince the reviewers they are wrongst ;) But seriously, the fact that the Oxford Dictionary online dismisses "whilst" with just a two word entry - "British: while" - and "amongst" doesn't even get its own entry at all, merely a variant "British" spelling of "among", that must be saying something about their contemporary importance.
– alephzero
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@alephzero The Google Ngram I quoted in a comment to the question shows that "amongst" counts for about one sixth of current British use of "among/amongst". That's clearly of "contemporary importance"; it's just that the OED has nothing to say about "amongst" beyond that it's a British variant of "among".
– David Richerby
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I doubt that the strength or validity of your paper hinges on use of that word.
No - as per the original question - in fact, the question is entirely academic (!)
– doctorer
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"British variant" :( BrE is the reference implementation mmkay
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My question is whether the paper should be "corrected" to Australian
English as it is an Australian conference, or if "correct" UK English
should be allowed from a UK writer?
British English is acceptable in US-based or other places conferences that do not use British English. Each conference writes their requireements in the Call for Papers. Mostly, international conferences require English. But it is unreasonable to require specific English. Even if it Australian-based conference. Any English is acceptable. Just be consistent in the whole text on the English you choose.
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My question is whether the paper should be "corrected" to Australian
English as it is an Australian conference, or if "correct" UK English
should be allowed from a UK writer?
British English is acceptable in US-based or other places conferences that do not use British English. Each conference writes their requireements in the Call for Papers. Mostly, international conferences require English. But it is unreasonable to require specific English. Even if it Australian-based conference. Any English is acceptable. Just be consistent in the whole text on the English you choose.
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My question is whether the paper should be "corrected" to Australian
English as it is an Australian conference, or if "correct" UK English
should be allowed from a UK writer?
British English is acceptable in US-based or other places conferences that do not use British English. Each conference writes their requireements in the Call for Papers. Mostly, international conferences require English. But it is unreasonable to require specific English. Even if it Australian-based conference. Any English is acceptable. Just be consistent in the whole text on the English you choose.
My question is whether the paper should be "corrected" to Australian
English as it is an Australian conference, or if "correct" UK English
should be allowed from a UK writer?
British English is acceptable in US-based or other places conferences that do not use British English. Each conference writes their requireements in the Call for Papers. Mostly, international conferences require English. But it is unreasonable to require specific English. Even if it Australian-based conference. Any English is acceptable. Just be consistent in the whole text on the English you choose.
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I am not trying to pick a fight, and the acceptance of the paper is not at stake - this is merely a suggestion from the reviewer
I think you (and some of the other answers) are overthinking this. Suggestions from reviewers are precisely that - suggestions. Some are good, some are less good, and you are free to adopt or ignore them at your pleasure. There is nothing at stake here no matter what you decide. Hence, I feel that the analyses of the relative frequency of usage of “among” vs “amongst” in British English, and other such considerations being brought up, are simply beside the point. This is one occasion where you can literally do whatever you want. Feels nice, doesn’t it? ;-)
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ikr, but just look how much academics love to overthink!
– doctorer
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I am not trying to pick a fight, and the acceptance of the paper is not at stake - this is merely a suggestion from the reviewer
I think you (and some of the other answers) are overthinking this. Suggestions from reviewers are precisely that - suggestions. Some are good, some are less good, and you are free to adopt or ignore them at your pleasure. There is nothing at stake here no matter what you decide. Hence, I feel that the analyses of the relative frequency of usage of “among” vs “amongst” in British English, and other such considerations being brought up, are simply beside the point. This is one occasion where you can literally do whatever you want. Feels nice, doesn’t it? ;-)
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ikr, but just look how much academics love to overthink!
– doctorer
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I am not trying to pick a fight, and the acceptance of the paper is not at stake - this is merely a suggestion from the reviewer
I think you (and some of the other answers) are overthinking this. Suggestions from reviewers are precisely that - suggestions. Some are good, some are less good, and you are free to adopt or ignore them at your pleasure. There is nothing at stake here no matter what you decide. Hence, I feel that the analyses of the relative frequency of usage of “among” vs “amongst” in British English, and other such considerations being brought up, are simply beside the point. This is one occasion where you can literally do whatever you want. Feels nice, doesn’t it? ;-)
I am not trying to pick a fight, and the acceptance of the paper is not at stake - this is merely a suggestion from the reviewer
I think you (and some of the other answers) are overthinking this. Suggestions from reviewers are precisely that - suggestions. Some are good, some are less good, and you are free to adopt or ignore them at your pleasure. There is nothing at stake here no matter what you decide. Hence, I feel that the analyses of the relative frequency of usage of “among” vs “amongst” in British English, and other such considerations being brought up, are simply beside the point. This is one occasion where you can literally do whatever you want. Feels nice, doesn’t it? ;-)
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ikr, but just look how much academics love to overthink!
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ikr, but just look how much academics love to overthink!
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Until the 70s in Australia we spoke officially in Received Pronunciation and Received Standard was our official grammar standard. Those days are past. And 95% of Australians did not speak that way.
The most official standard is the Australian Government Style Guide. However most organisations do not follow it. Harvard and Chicago are both more popular.
The second most official is the Macquarie Dictionary. See https://www.macquariedictionary.com.au/ (but it's not free).
This is Oxford's Dictionary take on it. https://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2013/02/05/among-amongst/
The practise in Australia is to simplify older longer words with shorter words. Having said that, not everyone agrees.
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I wonder: What is the percentage of English people who do not speak in Received Pronunciation? I wouldn't be surprised if it is around 95%, and of course the percentage of British people not speaking RP will be higher still. For Australia, 95% is much lower than I would have expected, though I've never been there.
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Until the 70s in Australia we spoke officially in Received Pronunciation and Received Standard was our official grammar standard. Those days are past. And 95% of Australians did not speak that way.
The most official standard is the Australian Government Style Guide. However most organisations do not follow it. Harvard and Chicago are both more popular.
The second most official is the Macquarie Dictionary. See https://www.macquariedictionary.com.au/ (but it's not free).
This is Oxford's Dictionary take on it. https://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2013/02/05/among-amongst/
The practise in Australia is to simplify older longer words with shorter words. Having said that, not everyone agrees.
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I wonder: What is the percentage of English people who do not speak in Received Pronunciation? I wouldn't be surprised if it is around 95%, and of course the percentage of British people not speaking RP will be higher still. For Australia, 95% is much lower than I would have expected, though I've never been there.
– phoog
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Until the 70s in Australia we spoke officially in Received Pronunciation and Received Standard was our official grammar standard. Those days are past. And 95% of Australians did not speak that way.
The most official standard is the Australian Government Style Guide. However most organisations do not follow it. Harvard and Chicago are both more popular.
The second most official is the Macquarie Dictionary. See https://www.macquariedictionary.com.au/ (but it's not free).
This is Oxford's Dictionary take on it. https://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2013/02/05/among-amongst/
The practise in Australia is to simplify older longer words with shorter words. Having said that, not everyone agrees.
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Until the 70s in Australia we spoke officially in Received Pronunciation and Received Standard was our official grammar standard. Those days are past. And 95% of Australians did not speak that way.
The most official standard is the Australian Government Style Guide. However most organisations do not follow it. Harvard and Chicago are both more popular.
The second most official is the Macquarie Dictionary. See https://www.macquariedictionary.com.au/ (but it's not free).
This is Oxford's Dictionary take on it. https://blog.oxforddictionaries.com/2013/02/05/among-amongst/
The practise in Australia is to simplify older longer words with shorter words. Having said that, not everyone agrees.
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I wonder: What is the percentage of English people who do not speak in Received Pronunciation? I wouldn't be surprised if it is around 95%, and of course the percentage of British people not speaking RP will be higher still. For Australia, 95% is much lower than I would have expected, though I've never been there.
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I wonder: What is the percentage of English people who do not speak in Received Pronunciation? I wouldn't be surprised if it is around 95%, and of course the percentage of British people not speaking RP will be higher still. For Australia, 95% is much lower than I would have expected, though I've never been there.
– phoog
yesterday
I wonder: What is the percentage of English people who do not speak in Received Pronunciation? I wouldn't be surprised if it is around 95%, and of course the percentage of British people not speaking RP will be higher still. For Australia, 95% is much lower than I would have expected, though I've never been there.
– phoog
yesterday
I wonder: What is the percentage of English people who do not speak in Received Pronunciation? I wouldn't be surprised if it is around 95%, and of course the percentage of British people not speaking RP will be higher still. For Australia, 95% is much lower than I would have expected, though I've never been there.
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Generally, unless there is a specific rule in the call for papers, any geographic variety of English should be acceptable, particularly if it conforms to the formal usage of a country with large numbers of native speakers (i.e., the U.S., the U.K., Canada, Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa). When there is such a rule, it is most likely to be confined to matters of spelling and punctuation, leaving aside issues of vocabulary and grammar.
The reviewer in this case is likely to be American, as we Americans, forming the overwhelming majority of native speakers and lacking as strong a cultural connection with the U.K. as the other English-speaking countries have, generally have the lowest awareness of usage in other countries. Even if amongst were uncommon in Australia, which it isn't, few Australians would be so unfamiliar with British usage as to comment on it.
It's true that a number of words commonly used in Britain, amongst among them, sound somewhat bookish to American ears. That's because we read them but rarely hear them. "Archaic" is a real exaggeration, though.
I think a tactful reviewer reading a mostly well-written paper with a handful of things that sound odd to them should ideally be aware of the possibility that these might be legitimate geographic variants. Realistically, this won't always be the case.
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Generally, unless there is a specific rule in the call for papers, any geographic variety of English should be acceptable, particularly if it conforms to the formal usage of a country with large numbers of native speakers (i.e., the U.S., the U.K., Canada, Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa). When there is such a rule, it is most likely to be confined to matters of spelling and punctuation, leaving aside issues of vocabulary and grammar.
The reviewer in this case is likely to be American, as we Americans, forming the overwhelming majority of native speakers and lacking as strong a cultural connection with the U.K. as the other English-speaking countries have, generally have the lowest awareness of usage in other countries. Even if amongst were uncommon in Australia, which it isn't, few Australians would be so unfamiliar with British usage as to comment on it.
It's true that a number of words commonly used in Britain, amongst among them, sound somewhat bookish to American ears. That's because we read them but rarely hear them. "Archaic" is a real exaggeration, though.
I think a tactful reviewer reading a mostly well-written paper with a handful of things that sound odd to them should ideally be aware of the possibility that these might be legitimate geographic variants. Realistically, this won't always be the case.
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Generally, unless there is a specific rule in the call for papers, any geographic variety of English should be acceptable, particularly if it conforms to the formal usage of a country with large numbers of native speakers (i.e., the U.S., the U.K., Canada, Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa). When there is such a rule, it is most likely to be confined to matters of spelling and punctuation, leaving aside issues of vocabulary and grammar.
The reviewer in this case is likely to be American, as we Americans, forming the overwhelming majority of native speakers and lacking as strong a cultural connection with the U.K. as the other English-speaking countries have, generally have the lowest awareness of usage in other countries. Even if amongst were uncommon in Australia, which it isn't, few Australians would be so unfamiliar with British usage as to comment on it.
It's true that a number of words commonly used in Britain, amongst among them, sound somewhat bookish to American ears. That's because we read them but rarely hear them. "Archaic" is a real exaggeration, though.
I think a tactful reviewer reading a mostly well-written paper with a handful of things that sound odd to them should ideally be aware of the possibility that these might be legitimate geographic variants. Realistically, this won't always be the case.
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Generally, unless there is a specific rule in the call for papers, any geographic variety of English should be acceptable, particularly if it conforms to the formal usage of a country with large numbers of native speakers (i.e., the U.S., the U.K., Canada, Australia, Ireland, New Zealand, South Africa). When there is such a rule, it is most likely to be confined to matters of spelling and punctuation, leaving aside issues of vocabulary and grammar.
The reviewer in this case is likely to be American, as we Americans, forming the overwhelming majority of native speakers and lacking as strong a cultural connection with the U.K. as the other English-speaking countries have, generally have the lowest awareness of usage in other countries. Even if amongst were uncommon in Australia, which it isn't, few Australians would be so unfamiliar with British usage as to comment on it.
It's true that a number of words commonly used in Britain, amongst among them, sound somewhat bookish to American ears. That's because we read them but rarely hear them. "Archaic" is a real exaggeration, though.
I think a tactful reviewer reading a mostly well-written paper with a handful of things that sound odd to them should ideally be aware of the possibility that these might be legitimate geographic variants. Realistically, this won't always be the case.
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If it is just the one word amongst
, change it and move on. I doubt that the strength or validity of your paper hinges on use of that word.
Now, if they said the paper in its entirety is in the wrong English it would be best to ask the editor whether the journal/conference agrees. It would take a considerable amount of work to rewrite a paper in an unfamiliar dialect, and the strength of the paper could suffer.
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What if it's the two words, "amongst" and "whilst"? ;-)
– David Richerby
2 days ago
1
It may take a whilst to convince the reviewers they are wrongst ;) But seriously, the fact that the Oxford Dictionary online dismisses "whilst" with just a two word entry - "British: while" - and "amongst" doesn't even get its own entry at all, merely a variant "British" spelling of "among", that must be saying something about their contemporary importance.
– alephzero
2 days ago
4
@alephzero The Google Ngram I quoted in a comment to the question shows that "amongst" counts for about one sixth of current British use of "among/amongst". That's clearly of "contemporary importance"; it's just that the OED has nothing to say about "amongst" beyond that it's a British variant of "among".
– David Richerby
2 days ago
1
I doubt that the strength or validity of your paper hinges on use of that word.
No - as per the original question - in fact, the question is entirely academic (!)
– doctorer
yesterday
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"British variant" :( BrE is the reference implementation mmkay
– Lightness Races in Orbit
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If it is just the one word amongst
, change it and move on. I doubt that the strength or validity of your paper hinges on use of that word.
Now, if they said the paper in its entirety is in the wrong English it would be best to ask the editor whether the journal/conference agrees. It would take a considerable amount of work to rewrite a paper in an unfamiliar dialect, and the strength of the paper could suffer.
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What if it's the two words, "amongst" and "whilst"? ;-)
– David Richerby
2 days ago
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It may take a whilst to convince the reviewers they are wrongst ;) But seriously, the fact that the Oxford Dictionary online dismisses "whilst" with just a two word entry - "British: while" - and "amongst" doesn't even get its own entry at all, merely a variant "British" spelling of "among", that must be saying something about their contemporary importance.
– alephzero
2 days ago
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@alephzero The Google Ngram I quoted in a comment to the question shows that "amongst" counts for about one sixth of current British use of "among/amongst". That's clearly of "contemporary importance"; it's just that the OED has nothing to say about "amongst" beyond that it's a British variant of "among".
– David Richerby
2 days ago
1
I doubt that the strength or validity of your paper hinges on use of that word.
No - as per the original question - in fact, the question is entirely academic (!)
– doctorer
yesterday
1
"British variant" :( BrE is the reference implementation mmkay
– Lightness Races in Orbit
yesterday
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If it is just the one word amongst
, change it and move on. I doubt that the strength or validity of your paper hinges on use of that word.
Now, if they said the paper in its entirety is in the wrong English it would be best to ask the editor whether the journal/conference agrees. It would take a considerable amount of work to rewrite a paper in an unfamiliar dialect, and the strength of the paper could suffer.
If it is just the one word amongst
, change it and move on. I doubt that the strength or validity of your paper hinges on use of that word.
Now, if they said the paper in its entirety is in the wrong English it would be best to ask the editor whether the journal/conference agrees. It would take a considerable amount of work to rewrite a paper in an unfamiliar dialect, and the strength of the paper could suffer.
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What if it's the two words, "amongst" and "whilst"? ;-)
– David Richerby
2 days ago
1
It may take a whilst to convince the reviewers they are wrongst ;) But seriously, the fact that the Oxford Dictionary online dismisses "whilst" with just a two word entry - "British: while" - and "amongst" doesn't even get its own entry at all, merely a variant "British" spelling of "among", that must be saying something about their contemporary importance.
– alephzero
2 days ago
4
@alephzero The Google Ngram I quoted in a comment to the question shows that "amongst" counts for about one sixth of current British use of "among/amongst". That's clearly of "contemporary importance"; it's just that the OED has nothing to say about "amongst" beyond that it's a British variant of "among".
– David Richerby
2 days ago
1
I doubt that the strength or validity of your paper hinges on use of that word.
No - as per the original question - in fact, the question is entirely academic (!)
– doctorer
yesterday
1
"British variant" :( BrE is the reference implementation mmkay
– Lightness Races in Orbit
yesterday
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show 4 more comments
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What if it's the two words, "amongst" and "whilst"? ;-)
– David Richerby
2 days ago
1
It may take a whilst to convince the reviewers they are wrongst ;) But seriously, the fact that the Oxford Dictionary online dismisses "whilst" with just a two word entry - "British: while" - and "amongst" doesn't even get its own entry at all, merely a variant "British" spelling of "among", that must be saying something about their contemporary importance.
– alephzero
2 days ago
4
@alephzero The Google Ngram I quoted in a comment to the question shows that "amongst" counts for about one sixth of current British use of "among/amongst". That's clearly of "contemporary importance"; it's just that the OED has nothing to say about "amongst" beyond that it's a British variant of "among".
– David Richerby
2 days ago
1
I doubt that the strength or validity of your paper hinges on use of that word.
No - as per the original question - in fact, the question is entirely academic (!)
– doctorer
yesterday
1
"British variant" :( BrE is the reference implementation mmkay
– Lightness Races in Orbit
yesterday
1
1
What if it's the two words, "amongst" and "whilst"? ;-)
– David Richerby
2 days ago
What if it's the two words, "amongst" and "whilst"? ;-)
– David Richerby
2 days ago
1
1
It may take a whilst to convince the reviewers they are wrongst ;) But seriously, the fact that the Oxford Dictionary online dismisses "whilst" with just a two word entry - "British: while" - and "amongst" doesn't even get its own entry at all, merely a variant "British" spelling of "among", that must be saying something about their contemporary importance.
– alephzero
2 days ago
It may take a whilst to convince the reviewers they are wrongst ;) But seriously, the fact that the Oxford Dictionary online dismisses "whilst" with just a two word entry - "British: while" - and "amongst" doesn't even get its own entry at all, merely a variant "British" spelling of "among", that must be saying something about their contemporary importance.
– alephzero
2 days ago
4
4
@alephzero The Google Ngram I quoted in a comment to the question shows that "amongst" counts for about one sixth of current British use of "among/amongst". That's clearly of "contemporary importance"; it's just that the OED has nothing to say about "amongst" beyond that it's a British variant of "among".
– David Richerby
2 days ago
@alephzero The Google Ngram I quoted in a comment to the question shows that "amongst" counts for about one sixth of current British use of "among/amongst". That's clearly of "contemporary importance"; it's just that the OED has nothing to say about "amongst" beyond that it's a British variant of "among".
– David Richerby
2 days ago
1
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I doubt that the strength or validity of your paper hinges on use of that word.
No - as per the original question - in fact, the question is entirely academic (!)– doctorer
yesterday
I doubt that the strength or validity of your paper hinges on use of that word.
No - as per the original question - in fact, the question is entirely academic (!)– doctorer
yesterday
1
1
"British variant" :( BrE is the reference implementation mmkay
– Lightness Races in Orbit
yesterday
"British variant" :( BrE is the reference implementation mmkay
– Lightness Races in Orbit
yesterday
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Some reviewers feel the need to point out a few typos or nitpick some grammar to "prove" that they read the paper. I would not take such a comment seriously.
– Thomas
2 days ago
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What!!! That comment is so odd. We do use amongst and whilst, no problem. In fact, Australian English is typically British except for tiny variations. We use colour not color, behaviour not behavior, optimisation not optimization. I don't think you need to take this comment too seriously.
– ThunderDownUnder
2 days ago
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Google Ngram disagrees with your claim that "amongst" is more common than "among" in British English: "among" has more than five times the frequency and has always been much more common. "Amongst" just adds two redundant letters but I will fight to the death for your right to use it. Well, not to the death. But your reviewer is being silly.
– David Richerby
2 days ago
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@Thomas One could even choose to read it as a subtle compliment: "Your paper was so good that this is the most significant 'problem' I could find."
– chepner
2 days ago
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@penelope "just expect more of these types of comments if you don't chose the US-flavour" *US-flavor (just kidding, of course. :) )
– reirab
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