Idiomatic Signage: “No children”, “Children not allowed on table”, etc.?












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Let's say you had a nice pool table. And some people were ruining it by putting their small children on top of it and letting them walk around and bang on it.



In American English, you might put a sign on it like, "No children on the pool table" or "No children on the table". In American English, we're usually less formal, but maybe we could write, "Children are not permitted on the pool table."




  • What would be idiomatic Russian for this?

  • What about for a different kind of gaming table, like Shuffleboard? Would there be one idiomatic Russian sentence that'd be appropriate for both?


I tried Google translate, but I don't know how idiomatic or natural this is:




дети не допускаются на бильярдный стол




Thanks!






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    18+ is a common way age restrictions are indicated.
    – DK.
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    Interesting, phrased in the positive, not in the negative. What about if the problem is improper behavior or use of the pool table? (People using it as a play pen for toddlers, which ruins the surface.)
    – Johnny
    4 hours ago
















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Let's say you had a nice pool table. And some people were ruining it by putting their small children on top of it and letting them walk around and bang on it.



In American English, you might put a sign on it like, "No children on the pool table" or "No children on the table". In American English, we're usually less formal, but maybe we could write, "Children are not permitted on the pool table."




  • What would be idiomatic Russian for this?

  • What about for a different kind of gaming table, like Shuffleboard? Would there be one idiomatic Russian sentence that'd be appropriate for both?


I tried Google translate, but I don't know how idiomatic or natural this is:




дети не допускаются на бильярдный стол




Thanks!






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  • 2




    18+ is a common way age restrictions are indicated.
    – DK.
    5 hours ago






  • 2




    Interesting, phrased in the positive, not in the negative. What about if the problem is improper behavior or use of the pool table? (People using it as a play pen for toddlers, which ruins the surface.)
    – Johnny
    4 hours ago














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Let's say you had a nice pool table. And some people were ruining it by putting their small children on top of it and letting them walk around and bang on it.



In American English, you might put a sign on it like, "No children on the pool table" or "No children on the table". In American English, we're usually less formal, but maybe we could write, "Children are not permitted on the pool table."




  • What would be idiomatic Russian for this?

  • What about for a different kind of gaming table, like Shuffleboard? Would there be one idiomatic Russian sentence that'd be appropriate for both?


I tried Google translate, but I don't know how idiomatic or natural this is:




дети не допускаются на бильярдный стол




Thanks!






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Let's say you had a nice pool table. And some people were ruining it by putting their small children on top of it and letting them walk around and bang on it.



In American English, you might put a sign on it like, "No children on the pool table" or "No children on the table". In American English, we're usually less formal, but maybe we could write, "Children are not permitted on the pool table."




  • What would be idiomatic Russian for this?

  • What about for a different kind of gaming table, like Shuffleboard? Would there be one idiomatic Russian sentence that'd be appropriate for both?


I tried Google translate, but I don't know how idiomatic or natural this is:




дети не допускаются на бильярдный стол




Thanks!






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  • 2




    18+ is a common way age restrictions are indicated.
    – DK.
    5 hours ago






  • 2




    Interesting, phrased in the positive, not in the negative. What about if the problem is improper behavior or use of the pool table? (People using it as a play pen for toddlers, which ruins the surface.)
    – Johnny
    4 hours ago














  • 2




    18+ is a common way age restrictions are indicated.
    – DK.
    5 hours ago






  • 2




    Interesting, phrased in the positive, not in the negative. What about if the problem is improper behavior or use of the pool table? (People using it as a play pen for toddlers, which ruins the surface.)
    – Johnny
    4 hours ago








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18+ is a common way age restrictions are indicated.
– DK.
5 hours ago




18+ is a common way age restrictions are indicated.
– DK.
5 hours ago




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Interesting, phrased in the positive, not in the negative. What about if the problem is improper behavior or use of the pool table? (People using it as a play pen for toddlers, which ruins the surface.)
– Johnny
4 hours ago




Interesting, phrased in the positive, not in the negative. What about if the problem is improper behavior or use of the pool table? (People using it as a play pen for toddlers, which ruins the surface.)
– Johnny
4 hours ago










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As a rule, we do not place sign with the word "дети". Usually we say/write: "Только для взрослых" ("For adults only") or "Для лиц старше 16/18 лет" ("For persons over 16/18 y.o."), etc.

I.e. we specify for whom it is allowed, but not for whom it is forbidden.



Much less often we write or say "Дети до 12/16/18 лет не допускаются" ("Children under 12/16/18 years are not allowed") or "Дети до 12/16/18 лет допускаются только в сопровождении взрослых" ("Children under 12/16/18 years are allowed only accompanied by adults").






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  • Thank you! That's really useful information. But specifically, the crazy problem we have is an adult who puts their toddler on the pool table and lets them slam around on it. Same with the shuffleboard table. So I'm trying to express a prohibition, not on playing pool, but placing your child on it (and letting them walk on it.) ?! It's a crazy scenario, I know.
    – Johnny
    4 hours ago








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    To be honest, I have never seen such signs on pool tables in the exUSSR. However, children on these tables in the exUSSR I, too, never saw. But if there was such a problem, I would write: "Пожалуйста, не сажайте детей на бильярдный стол!" ("Please do not put children on the pool table!")
    – Ivan Olshansky
    4 hours ago






  • 1




    Perfect! Love it! Great writing style, too. Very Russian sounding to me.
    – Johnny
    4 hours ago










  • Thanks, @Johnny Happy to help!
    – Ivan Olshansky
    4 hours ago






  • 1




    The most comprehensive version would be "Пожалуйста, не сажайте детей на игральные столы!" ("Please don't put children on the playing tables!")
    – Ivan Olshansky
    2 hours ago



















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Another option which is less entreating and more assertive is "Просьба не сажать детей etc." or even stronger "Запрещается сажать детей etc.".



Пожалуйста is generally not employed in formal signage in Russian and in prohibitive texts perceived as too soft in a society with law-is-for-wimps mentality.



You may as well institute some sort of punitive measures and mention them in the verbiage because in all likelihood the sign will be ignored. And also to make the sign look less generic and more deliberate a signature Администрация after the verbiage may also be appropriate, as if hinting whom the infractors will have to deal with.

The above is valid, in my opinion, provided the establishment is located in the former USSR or caters for tourists from here.






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  • Thanks for the added cultural info - very interesting. So in your opinion "law-is-for-wimps" (and rules, too, I suppose) is a common attitude in the exUSSR?
    – Johnny
    1 hour ago






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    @Johnny absolutely, the only factor which seem to work is peer pressure (positve as well as negative), the influence of the environment that is, that's why immigrants from the former USSR in western societies are after all able to get in line and be law/rules abiding
    – Баян Купи-ка
    45 mins ago










  • Lol, well if they were able to truly become law/rules abiding in the West, then I wouldn't be staying up late making signs reading "Keep your grimy kids off the pool table!"
    – Johnny
    13 mins ago











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As a rule, we do not place sign with the word "дети". Usually we say/write: "Только для взрослых" ("For adults only") or "Для лиц старше 16/18 лет" ("For persons over 16/18 y.o."), etc.

I.e. we specify for whom it is allowed, but not for whom it is forbidden.



Much less often we write or say "Дети до 12/16/18 лет не допускаются" ("Children under 12/16/18 years are not allowed") or "Дети до 12/16/18 лет допускаются только в сопровождении взрослых" ("Children under 12/16/18 years are allowed only accompanied by adults").






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  • Thank you! That's really useful information. But specifically, the crazy problem we have is an adult who puts their toddler on the pool table and lets them slam around on it. Same with the shuffleboard table. So I'm trying to express a prohibition, not on playing pool, but placing your child on it (and letting them walk on it.) ?! It's a crazy scenario, I know.
    – Johnny
    4 hours ago








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    To be honest, I have never seen such signs on pool tables in the exUSSR. However, children on these tables in the exUSSR I, too, never saw. But if there was such a problem, I would write: "Пожалуйста, не сажайте детей на бильярдный стол!" ("Please do not put children on the pool table!")
    – Ivan Olshansky
    4 hours ago






  • 1




    Perfect! Love it! Great writing style, too. Very Russian sounding to me.
    – Johnny
    4 hours ago










  • Thanks, @Johnny Happy to help!
    – Ivan Olshansky
    4 hours ago






  • 1




    The most comprehensive version would be "Пожалуйста, не сажайте детей на игральные столы!" ("Please don't put children on the playing tables!")
    – Ivan Olshansky
    2 hours ago
















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As a rule, we do not place sign with the word "дети". Usually we say/write: "Только для взрослых" ("For adults only") or "Для лиц старше 16/18 лет" ("For persons over 16/18 y.o."), etc.

I.e. we specify for whom it is allowed, but not for whom it is forbidden.



Much less often we write or say "Дети до 12/16/18 лет не допускаются" ("Children under 12/16/18 years are not allowed") or "Дети до 12/16/18 лет допускаются только в сопровождении взрослых" ("Children under 12/16/18 years are allowed only accompanied by adults").






share|improve this answer





















  • Thank you! That's really useful information. But specifically, the crazy problem we have is an adult who puts their toddler on the pool table and lets them slam around on it. Same with the shuffleboard table. So I'm trying to express a prohibition, not on playing pool, but placing your child on it (and letting them walk on it.) ?! It's a crazy scenario, I know.
    – Johnny
    4 hours ago








  • 2




    To be honest, I have never seen such signs on pool tables in the exUSSR. However, children on these tables in the exUSSR I, too, never saw. But if there was such a problem, I would write: "Пожалуйста, не сажайте детей на бильярдный стол!" ("Please do not put children on the pool table!")
    – Ivan Olshansky
    4 hours ago






  • 1




    Perfect! Love it! Great writing style, too. Very Russian sounding to me.
    – Johnny
    4 hours ago










  • Thanks, @Johnny Happy to help!
    – Ivan Olshansky
    4 hours ago






  • 1




    The most comprehensive version would be "Пожалуйста, не сажайте детей на игральные столы!" ("Please don't put children on the playing tables!")
    – Ivan Olshansky
    2 hours ago














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As a rule, we do not place sign with the word "дети". Usually we say/write: "Только для взрослых" ("For adults only") or "Для лиц старше 16/18 лет" ("For persons over 16/18 y.o."), etc.

I.e. we specify for whom it is allowed, but not for whom it is forbidden.



Much less often we write or say "Дети до 12/16/18 лет не допускаются" ("Children under 12/16/18 years are not allowed") or "Дети до 12/16/18 лет допускаются только в сопровождении взрослых" ("Children under 12/16/18 years are allowed only accompanied by adults").






share|improve this answer












As a rule, we do not place sign with the word "дети". Usually we say/write: "Только для взрослых" ("For adults only") or "Для лиц старше 16/18 лет" ("For persons over 16/18 y.o."), etc.

I.e. we specify for whom it is allowed, but not for whom it is forbidden.



Much less often we write or say "Дети до 12/16/18 лет не допускаются" ("Children under 12/16/18 years are not allowed") or "Дети до 12/16/18 лет допускаются только в сопровождении взрослых" ("Children under 12/16/18 years are allowed only accompanied by adults").







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  • Thank you! That's really useful information. But specifically, the crazy problem we have is an adult who puts their toddler on the pool table and lets them slam around on it. Same with the shuffleboard table. So I'm trying to express a prohibition, not on playing pool, but placing your child on it (and letting them walk on it.) ?! It's a crazy scenario, I know.
    – Johnny
    4 hours ago








  • 2




    To be honest, I have never seen such signs on pool tables in the exUSSR. However, children on these tables in the exUSSR I, too, never saw. But if there was such a problem, I would write: "Пожалуйста, не сажайте детей на бильярдный стол!" ("Please do not put children on the pool table!")
    – Ivan Olshansky
    4 hours ago






  • 1




    Perfect! Love it! Great writing style, too. Very Russian sounding to me.
    – Johnny
    4 hours ago










  • Thanks, @Johnny Happy to help!
    – Ivan Olshansky
    4 hours ago






  • 1




    The most comprehensive version would be "Пожалуйста, не сажайте детей на игральные столы!" ("Please don't put children on the playing tables!")
    – Ivan Olshansky
    2 hours ago


















  • Thank you! That's really useful information. But specifically, the crazy problem we have is an adult who puts their toddler on the pool table and lets them slam around on it. Same with the shuffleboard table. So I'm trying to express a prohibition, not on playing pool, but placing your child on it (and letting them walk on it.) ?! It's a crazy scenario, I know.
    – Johnny
    4 hours ago








  • 2




    To be honest, I have never seen such signs on pool tables in the exUSSR. However, children on these tables in the exUSSR I, too, never saw. But if there was such a problem, I would write: "Пожалуйста, не сажайте детей на бильярдный стол!" ("Please do not put children on the pool table!")
    – Ivan Olshansky
    4 hours ago






  • 1




    Perfect! Love it! Great writing style, too. Very Russian sounding to me.
    – Johnny
    4 hours ago










  • Thanks, @Johnny Happy to help!
    – Ivan Olshansky
    4 hours ago






  • 1




    The most comprehensive version would be "Пожалуйста, не сажайте детей на игральные столы!" ("Please don't put children on the playing tables!")
    – Ivan Olshansky
    2 hours ago
















Thank you! That's really useful information. But specifically, the crazy problem we have is an adult who puts their toddler on the pool table and lets them slam around on it. Same with the shuffleboard table. So I'm trying to express a prohibition, not on playing pool, but placing your child on it (and letting them walk on it.) ?! It's a crazy scenario, I know.
– Johnny
4 hours ago






Thank you! That's really useful information. But specifically, the crazy problem we have is an adult who puts their toddler on the pool table and lets them slam around on it. Same with the shuffleboard table. So I'm trying to express a prohibition, not on playing pool, but placing your child on it (and letting them walk on it.) ?! It's a crazy scenario, I know.
– Johnny
4 hours ago






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2




To be honest, I have never seen such signs on pool tables in the exUSSR. However, children on these tables in the exUSSR I, too, never saw. But if there was such a problem, I would write: "Пожалуйста, не сажайте детей на бильярдный стол!" ("Please do not put children on the pool table!")
– Ivan Olshansky
4 hours ago




To be honest, I have never seen such signs on pool tables in the exUSSR. However, children on these tables in the exUSSR I, too, never saw. But if there was such a problem, I would write: "Пожалуйста, не сажайте детей на бильярдный стол!" ("Please do not put children on the pool table!")
– Ivan Olshansky
4 hours ago




1




1




Perfect! Love it! Great writing style, too. Very Russian sounding to me.
– Johnny
4 hours ago




Perfect! Love it! Great writing style, too. Very Russian sounding to me.
– Johnny
4 hours ago












Thanks, @Johnny Happy to help!
– Ivan Olshansky
4 hours ago




Thanks, @Johnny Happy to help!
– Ivan Olshansky
4 hours ago




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The most comprehensive version would be "Пожалуйста, не сажайте детей на игральные столы!" ("Please don't put children on the playing tables!")
– Ivan Olshansky
2 hours ago




The most comprehensive version would be "Пожалуйста, не сажайте детей на игральные столы!" ("Please don't put children on the playing tables!")
– Ivan Olshansky
2 hours ago











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Another option which is less entreating and more assertive is "Просьба не сажать детей etc." or even stronger "Запрещается сажать детей etc.".



Пожалуйста is generally not employed in formal signage in Russian and in prohibitive texts perceived as too soft in a society with law-is-for-wimps mentality.



You may as well institute some sort of punitive measures and mention them in the verbiage because in all likelihood the sign will be ignored. And also to make the sign look less generic and more deliberate a signature Администрация after the verbiage may also be appropriate, as if hinting whom the infractors will have to deal with.

The above is valid, in my opinion, provided the establishment is located in the former USSR or caters for tourists from here.






share|improve this answer























  • Thanks for the added cultural info - very interesting. So in your opinion "law-is-for-wimps" (and rules, too, I suppose) is a common attitude in the exUSSR?
    – Johnny
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    @Johnny absolutely, the only factor which seem to work is peer pressure (positve as well as negative), the influence of the environment that is, that's why immigrants from the former USSR in western societies are after all able to get in line and be law/rules abiding
    – Баян Купи-ка
    45 mins ago










  • Lol, well if they were able to truly become law/rules abiding in the West, then I wouldn't be staying up late making signs reading "Keep your grimy kids off the pool table!"
    – Johnny
    13 mins ago
















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Another option which is less entreating and more assertive is "Просьба не сажать детей etc." or even stronger "Запрещается сажать детей etc.".



Пожалуйста is generally not employed in formal signage in Russian and in prohibitive texts perceived as too soft in a society with law-is-for-wimps mentality.



You may as well institute some sort of punitive measures and mention them in the verbiage because in all likelihood the sign will be ignored. And also to make the sign look less generic and more deliberate a signature Администрация after the verbiage may also be appropriate, as if hinting whom the infractors will have to deal with.

The above is valid, in my opinion, provided the establishment is located in the former USSR or caters for tourists from here.






share|improve this answer























  • Thanks for the added cultural info - very interesting. So in your opinion "law-is-for-wimps" (and rules, too, I suppose) is a common attitude in the exUSSR?
    – Johnny
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    @Johnny absolutely, the only factor which seem to work is peer pressure (positve as well as negative), the influence of the environment that is, that's why immigrants from the former USSR in western societies are after all able to get in line and be law/rules abiding
    – Баян Купи-ка
    45 mins ago










  • Lol, well if they were able to truly become law/rules abiding in the West, then I wouldn't be staying up late making signs reading "Keep your grimy kids off the pool table!"
    – Johnny
    13 mins ago














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Another option which is less entreating and more assertive is "Просьба не сажать детей etc." or even stronger "Запрещается сажать детей etc.".



Пожалуйста is generally not employed in formal signage in Russian and in prohibitive texts perceived as too soft in a society with law-is-for-wimps mentality.



You may as well institute some sort of punitive measures and mention them in the verbiage because in all likelihood the sign will be ignored. And also to make the sign look less generic and more deliberate a signature Администрация after the verbiage may also be appropriate, as if hinting whom the infractors will have to deal with.

The above is valid, in my opinion, provided the establishment is located in the former USSR or caters for tourists from here.






share|improve this answer














Another option which is less entreating and more assertive is "Просьба не сажать детей etc." or even stronger "Запрещается сажать детей etc.".



Пожалуйста is generally not employed in formal signage in Russian and in prohibitive texts perceived as too soft in a society with law-is-for-wimps mentality.



You may as well institute some sort of punitive measures and mention them in the verbiage because in all likelihood the sign will be ignored. And also to make the sign look less generic and more deliberate a signature Администрация after the verbiage may also be appropriate, as if hinting whom the infractors will have to deal with.

The above is valid, in my opinion, provided the establishment is located in the former USSR or caters for tourists from here.







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  • Thanks for the added cultural info - very interesting. So in your opinion "law-is-for-wimps" (and rules, too, I suppose) is a common attitude in the exUSSR?
    – Johnny
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    @Johnny absolutely, the only factor which seem to work is peer pressure (positve as well as negative), the influence of the environment that is, that's why immigrants from the former USSR in western societies are after all able to get in line and be law/rules abiding
    – Баян Купи-ка
    45 mins ago










  • Lol, well if they were able to truly become law/rules abiding in the West, then I wouldn't be staying up late making signs reading "Keep your grimy kids off the pool table!"
    – Johnny
    13 mins ago


















  • Thanks for the added cultural info - very interesting. So in your opinion "law-is-for-wimps" (and rules, too, I suppose) is a common attitude in the exUSSR?
    – Johnny
    1 hour ago






  • 1




    @Johnny absolutely, the only factor which seem to work is peer pressure (positve as well as negative), the influence of the environment that is, that's why immigrants from the former USSR in western societies are after all able to get in line and be law/rules abiding
    – Баян Купи-ка
    45 mins ago










  • Lol, well if they were able to truly become law/rules abiding in the West, then I wouldn't be staying up late making signs reading "Keep your grimy kids off the pool table!"
    – Johnny
    13 mins ago
















Thanks for the added cultural info - very interesting. So in your opinion "law-is-for-wimps" (and rules, too, I suppose) is a common attitude in the exUSSR?
– Johnny
1 hour ago




Thanks for the added cultural info - very interesting. So in your opinion "law-is-for-wimps" (and rules, too, I suppose) is a common attitude in the exUSSR?
– Johnny
1 hour ago




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@Johnny absolutely, the only factor which seem to work is peer pressure (positve as well as negative), the influence of the environment that is, that's why immigrants from the former USSR in western societies are after all able to get in line and be law/rules abiding
– Баян Купи-ка
45 mins ago




@Johnny absolutely, the only factor which seem to work is peer pressure (positve as well as negative), the influence of the environment that is, that's why immigrants from the former USSR in western societies are after all able to get in line and be law/rules abiding
– Баян Купи-ка
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Lol, well if they were able to truly become law/rules abiding in the West, then I wouldn't be staying up late making signs reading "Keep your grimy kids off the pool table!"
– Johnny
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Lol, well if they were able to truly become law/rules abiding in the West, then I wouldn't be staying up late making signs reading "Keep your grimy kids off the pool table!"
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