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Let $(H,mathcal T)$ is a Hausdorff space then is there any total order relation on $H$ such that the topological space induced by the order relation be the same $(H,mathcal T)$?



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  • What is your guess? Do you have any particular simple space for which you don't see any inducing total order?
    – user87690
    2 days ago






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    What happens if you remove a point from a connected space whose topology is induced by a total order? Can you think of a connected space where that doesn't happen?
    – David Hartley
    2 days ago










  • @user87690 no, I have no such space.
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    2 days ago






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    @RollingStones David's example was a hint towards a counterexample - removing a point from an orderable space always disconnects it.
    – Wojowu
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    @user87690 Woops, you are right. That's only two out of possibly infinitely many elements though.
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    2 days ago















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  • What is your guess? Do you have any particular simple space for which you don't see any inducing total order?
    – user87690
    2 days ago






  • 4




    What happens if you remove a point from a connected space whose topology is induced by a total order? Can you think of a connected space where that doesn't happen?
    – David Hartley
    2 days ago










  • @user87690 no, I have no such space.
    – Rolling Stones
    2 days ago






  • 1




    @RollingStones David's example was a hint towards a counterexample - removing a point from an orderable space always disconnects it.
    – Wojowu
    2 days ago






  • 1




    @user87690 Woops, you are right. That's only two out of possibly infinitely many elements though.
    – Wojowu
    2 days ago













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Let $(H,mathcal T)$ is a Hausdorff space then is there any total order relation on $H$ such that the topological space induced by the order relation be the same $(H,mathcal T)$?



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Let $(H,mathcal T)$ is a Hausdorff space then is there any total order relation on $H$ such that the topological space induced by the order relation be the same $(H,mathcal T)$?



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  • What is your guess? Do you have any particular simple space for which you don't see any inducing total order?
    – user87690
    2 days ago






  • 4




    What happens if you remove a point from a connected space whose topology is induced by a total order? Can you think of a connected space where that doesn't happen?
    – David Hartley
    2 days ago










  • @user87690 no, I have no such space.
    – Rolling Stones
    2 days ago






  • 1




    @RollingStones David's example was a hint towards a counterexample - removing a point from an orderable space always disconnects it.
    – Wojowu
    2 days ago






  • 1




    @user87690 Woops, you are right. That's only two out of possibly infinitely many elements though.
    – Wojowu
    2 days ago


















  • What is your guess? Do you have any particular simple space for which you don't see any inducing total order?
    – user87690
    2 days ago






  • 4




    What happens if you remove a point from a connected space whose topology is induced by a total order? Can you think of a connected space where that doesn't happen?
    – David Hartley
    2 days ago










  • @user87690 no, I have no such space.
    – Rolling Stones
    2 days ago






  • 1




    @RollingStones David's example was a hint towards a counterexample - removing a point from an orderable space always disconnects it.
    – Wojowu
    2 days ago






  • 1




    @user87690 Woops, you are right. That's only two out of possibly infinitely many elements though.
    – Wojowu
    2 days ago
















What is your guess? Do you have any particular simple space for which you don't see any inducing total order?
– user87690
2 days ago




What is your guess? Do you have any particular simple space for which you don't see any inducing total order?
– user87690
2 days ago




4




4




What happens if you remove a point from a connected space whose topology is induced by a total order? Can you think of a connected space where that doesn't happen?
– David Hartley
2 days ago




What happens if you remove a point from a connected space whose topology is induced by a total order? Can you think of a connected space where that doesn't happen?
– David Hartley
2 days ago












@user87690 no, I have no such space.
– Rolling Stones
2 days ago




@user87690 no, I have no such space.
– Rolling Stones
2 days ago




1




1




@RollingStones David's example was a hint towards a counterexample - removing a point from an orderable space always disconnects it.
– Wojowu
2 days ago




@RollingStones David's example was a hint towards a counterexample - removing a point from an orderable space always disconnects it.
– Wojowu
2 days ago




1




1




@user87690 Woops, you are right. That's only two out of possibly infinitely many elements though.
– Wojowu
2 days ago




@user87690 Woops, you are right. That's only two out of possibly infinitely many elements though.
– Wojowu
2 days ago










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A total order relation induces a normal topology, which means that if there is a Hausdorff space which is not normal as well, then it is not induced by an order relation.



Though I am also interested to see what counter-examples people will give you.






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One example is the Sorgenfrey line (i.e., $mathbb{R}$ with the lower-limit topology). See the following quetion and its answer for an outline showing why it is not orderable:




  • Sorgenfrey line is not orderable


An interesting thing about this space is that it is "close" to being orderable. A topological space $X$ is called suborderable if it is homeomorphic to a subspace of an ordered space. We can show rather quickly that the Sorgenfrey line is suborderable.



Consider $mathbb{R} times { 0 , 1 }$ with the lexicographic order: $$(x,i) prec ( y , j ) Leftrightarrow begin{cases}
x < y, &text{or} \
x = y, i=0, j=1.
end{cases}$$

Then the Sorgenfrey line is homeomorphic to the subspace $mathbb{R} times { 1 }$ of the above ordered space.






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2 Answers
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active

oldest

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active

oldest

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up vote
10
down vote



accepted










A total order relation induces a normal topology, which means that if there is a Hausdorff space which is not normal as well, then it is not induced by an order relation.



Though I am also interested to see what counter-examples people will give you.






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  • Thank you so much.
    – Rolling Stones
    2 days ago















up vote
10
down vote



accepted










A total order relation induces a normal topology, which means that if there is a Hausdorff space which is not normal as well, then it is not induced by an order relation.



Though I am also interested to see what counter-examples people will give you.






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  • Thank you so much.
    – Rolling Stones
    2 days ago













up vote
10
down vote



accepted







up vote
10
down vote



accepted






A total order relation induces a normal topology, which means that if there is a Hausdorff space which is not normal as well, then it is not induced by an order relation.



Though I am also interested to see what counter-examples people will give you.






share|cite|improve this answer












A total order relation induces a normal topology, which means that if there is a Hausdorff space which is not normal as well, then it is not induced by an order relation.



Though I am also interested to see what counter-examples people will give you.







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Thank you so much.
– Rolling Stones
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Thank you so much.
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up vote
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One example is the Sorgenfrey line (i.e., $mathbb{R}$ with the lower-limit topology). See the following quetion and its answer for an outline showing why it is not orderable:




  • Sorgenfrey line is not orderable


An interesting thing about this space is that it is "close" to being orderable. A topological space $X$ is called suborderable if it is homeomorphic to a subspace of an ordered space. We can show rather quickly that the Sorgenfrey line is suborderable.



Consider $mathbb{R} times { 0 , 1 }$ with the lexicographic order: $$(x,i) prec ( y , j ) Leftrightarrow begin{cases}
x < y, &text{or} \
x = y, i=0, j=1.
end{cases}$$

Then the Sorgenfrey line is homeomorphic to the subspace $mathbb{R} times { 1 }$ of the above ordered space.






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  • Thank you so much.
    – Rolling Stones
    2 days ago















up vote
9
down vote













One example is the Sorgenfrey line (i.e., $mathbb{R}$ with the lower-limit topology). See the following quetion and its answer for an outline showing why it is not orderable:




  • Sorgenfrey line is not orderable


An interesting thing about this space is that it is "close" to being orderable. A topological space $X$ is called suborderable if it is homeomorphic to a subspace of an ordered space. We can show rather quickly that the Sorgenfrey line is suborderable.



Consider $mathbb{R} times { 0 , 1 }$ with the lexicographic order: $$(x,i) prec ( y , j ) Leftrightarrow begin{cases}
x < y, &text{or} \
x = y, i=0, j=1.
end{cases}$$

Then the Sorgenfrey line is homeomorphic to the subspace $mathbb{R} times { 1 }$ of the above ordered space.






share|cite|improve this answer





















  • Thank you so much.
    – Rolling Stones
    2 days ago













up vote
9
down vote










up vote
9
down vote









One example is the Sorgenfrey line (i.e., $mathbb{R}$ with the lower-limit topology). See the following quetion and its answer for an outline showing why it is not orderable:




  • Sorgenfrey line is not orderable


An interesting thing about this space is that it is "close" to being orderable. A topological space $X$ is called suborderable if it is homeomorphic to a subspace of an ordered space. We can show rather quickly that the Sorgenfrey line is suborderable.



Consider $mathbb{R} times { 0 , 1 }$ with the lexicographic order: $$(x,i) prec ( y , j ) Leftrightarrow begin{cases}
x < y, &text{or} \
x = y, i=0, j=1.
end{cases}$$

Then the Sorgenfrey line is homeomorphic to the subspace $mathbb{R} times { 1 }$ of the above ordered space.






share|cite|improve this answer












One example is the Sorgenfrey line (i.e., $mathbb{R}$ with the lower-limit topology). See the following quetion and its answer for an outline showing why it is not orderable:




  • Sorgenfrey line is not orderable


An interesting thing about this space is that it is "close" to being orderable. A topological space $X$ is called suborderable if it is homeomorphic to a subspace of an ordered space. We can show rather quickly that the Sorgenfrey line is suborderable.



Consider $mathbb{R} times { 0 , 1 }$ with the lexicographic order: $$(x,i) prec ( y , j ) Leftrightarrow begin{cases}
x < y, &text{or} \
x = y, i=0, j=1.
end{cases}$$

Then the Sorgenfrey line is homeomorphic to the subspace $mathbb{R} times { 1 }$ of the above ordered space.







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