Recurrence relation/with limit
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Let $F_{n+1}=F_{n-1}+F_{n-2}$ for $n in mathbb{N}$ with $n geq 2$
$F_0:=0$ and $F_1:=1$.
How to compute
$limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{F_{n-1}}{F_{n+1}}$?
I tried to use Binet's formula:
$limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{F_{n-1}}{F_{n+1}}=limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{frac{1}{sqrt{5}}(xi^{n-1}-phi^{n-1})}{frac{1}{sqrt{5}}(xi^{n+1}-phi^{n+1})}=limlimits_{xtoinfty}frac{xi^{n-1}(1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}})}{xi^{n+1}(1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}})}$
But I don't know what to do next.
I suppose $xi^{n+1}(1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}})=xi$ but what about ${xi^{n-1}(1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}})}$?
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Let $F_{n+1}=F_{n-1}+F_{n-2}$ for $n in mathbb{N}$ with $n geq 2$
$F_0:=0$ and $F_1:=1$.
How to compute
$limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{F_{n-1}}{F_{n+1}}$?
I tried to use Binet's formula:
$limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{F_{n-1}}{F_{n+1}}=limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{frac{1}{sqrt{5}}(xi^{n-1}-phi^{n-1})}{frac{1}{sqrt{5}}(xi^{n+1}-phi^{n+1})}=limlimits_{xtoinfty}frac{xi^{n-1}(1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}})}{xi^{n+1}(1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}})}$
But I don't know what to do next.
I suppose $xi^{n+1}(1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}})=xi$ but what about ${xi^{n-1}(1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}})}$?
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How do you prove existence of $limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{F_{n-1}}{F_{n+1}}$.
– Yadati Kiran
2 days ago
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Are you sure it's $$F_{n+1} = F_{n-1} + F_{n-2}$$ and not $$F_n=F_{n-1}+F_{n-2}?$$
– 5xum
2 days ago
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What is $F_2{}$?
– Arthur
2 days ago
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In that case, how do you evaluate $displaystyle F_{2}$ ?.
– Felix Marin
2 days ago
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Binet's formula is only valid if $F_n=F_{n-1}+F_{n-2}$.
– Teepeemm
2 days ago
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Let $F_{n+1}=F_{n-1}+F_{n-2}$ for $n in mathbb{N}$ with $n geq 2$
$F_0:=0$ and $F_1:=1$.
How to compute
$limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{F_{n-1}}{F_{n+1}}$?
I tried to use Binet's formula:
$limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{F_{n-1}}{F_{n+1}}=limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{frac{1}{sqrt{5}}(xi^{n-1}-phi^{n-1})}{frac{1}{sqrt{5}}(xi^{n+1}-phi^{n+1})}=limlimits_{xtoinfty}frac{xi^{n-1}(1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}})}{xi^{n+1}(1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}})}$
But I don't know what to do next.
I suppose $xi^{n+1}(1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}})=xi$ but what about ${xi^{n-1}(1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}})}$?
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Let $F_{n+1}=F_{n-1}+F_{n-2}$ for $n in mathbb{N}$ with $n geq 2$
$F_0:=0$ and $F_1:=1$.
How to compute
$limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{F_{n-1}}{F_{n+1}}$?
I tried to use Binet's formula:
$limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{F_{n-1}}{F_{n+1}}=limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{frac{1}{sqrt{5}}(xi^{n-1}-phi^{n-1})}{frac{1}{sqrt{5}}(xi^{n+1}-phi^{n+1})}=limlimits_{xtoinfty}frac{xi^{n-1}(1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}})}{xi^{n+1}(1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}})}$
But I don't know what to do next.
I suppose $xi^{n+1}(1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}})=xi$ but what about ${xi^{n-1}(1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}})}$?
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How do you prove existence of $limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{F_{n-1}}{F_{n+1}}$.
– Yadati Kiran
2 days ago
2
Are you sure it's $$F_{n+1} = F_{n-1} + F_{n-2}$$ and not $$F_n=F_{n-1}+F_{n-2}?$$
– 5xum
2 days ago
5
What is $F_2{}$?
– Arthur
2 days ago
3
In that case, how do you evaluate $displaystyle F_{2}$ ?.
– Felix Marin
2 days ago
1
Binet's formula is only valid if $F_n=F_{n-1}+F_{n-2}$.
– Teepeemm
2 days ago
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How do you prove existence of $limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{F_{n-1}}{F_{n+1}}$.
– Yadati Kiran
2 days ago
2
Are you sure it's $$F_{n+1} = F_{n-1} + F_{n-2}$$ and not $$F_n=F_{n-1}+F_{n-2}?$$
– 5xum
2 days ago
5
What is $F_2{}$?
– Arthur
2 days ago
3
In that case, how do you evaluate $displaystyle F_{2}$ ?.
– Felix Marin
2 days ago
1
Binet's formula is only valid if $F_n=F_{n-1}+F_{n-2}$.
– Teepeemm
2 days ago
How do you prove existence of $limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{F_{n-1}}{F_{n+1}}$.
– Yadati Kiran
2 days ago
How do you prove existence of $limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{F_{n-1}}{F_{n+1}}$.
– Yadati Kiran
2 days ago
2
2
Are you sure it's $$F_{n+1} = F_{n-1} + F_{n-2}$$ and not $$F_n=F_{n-1}+F_{n-2}?$$
– 5xum
2 days ago
Are you sure it's $$F_{n+1} = F_{n-1} + F_{n-2}$$ and not $$F_n=F_{n-1}+F_{n-2}?$$
– 5xum
2 days ago
5
5
What is $F_2{}$?
– Arthur
2 days ago
What is $F_2{}$?
– Arthur
2 days ago
3
3
In that case, how do you evaluate $displaystyle F_{2}$ ?.
– Felix Marin
2 days ago
In that case, how do you evaluate $displaystyle F_{2}$ ?.
– Felix Marin
2 days ago
1
1
Binet's formula is only valid if $F_n=F_{n-1}+F_{n-2}$.
– Teepeemm
2 days ago
Binet's formula is only valid if $F_n=F_{n-1}+F_{n-2}$.
– Teepeemm
2 days ago
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We have$$limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{xi^{n-1}(1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}})}{xi^{n+1}(1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}})}={1over xi ^2}lim_{nto infty}{1-left({phiover xi}right)^{n-1}over 1-left({phiover xi}right)^{n+1}}$$where $${phiover xi}={{1-sqrt 5over 2}over {1+sqrt 5over 2}}={1-sqrt 5over 1+sqrt 5}$$therefore $-1<{phi over xi}<0$and we obtain $$lim_{nto infty}{1-left({phiover xi}right)^{n-1}over 1-left({phiover xi}right)^{n+1}}={1over xi ^2}={3-sqrt 5over 2}$$
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$$F_{n+1}=F_n+F_{n-1}$$
$$impliesdfrac{F_{n+1}}{F_n}=dfrac{F_{n-1}}{F_n}+1$$
If $lim_{ntoinfty}dfrac{F_{n+1}}{F_n}=a,$ we have $$a=dfrac1a+1iff a^2-a-1=0, a=?$$
Finally $lim_{ntoinfty}dfrac{F_{n+1}}{F_{n-1}}=lim_{ntoinfty}dfrac{F_{n+1}}{F_n}cdotlim_{ntoinfty}dfrac{F_n}{F_{n-1}}=a^2$
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After$$lim_{ntoinfty}frac{F_{n-1}}{F_{n+1}}=lim_{ntoinfty}frac{frac{1}{sqrt{5}}left(xi^{n-1}-phi^{n-1}right)}{frac{1}{sqrt{5}}left(xi^{n+1}-phi^{n+1}right)},$$you should have obtained$$lim_{ntoinfty}frac{xi^{n-1}left(1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}}right)}{xi^{n+1}left(1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}}right)},$$which is equal to$$frac1{xi^2}lim_{ntoinfty}frac{1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}}}{1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}}}=frac1{xi^2}.$$
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We have$$limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{xi^{n-1}(1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}})}{xi^{n+1}(1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}})}={1over xi ^2}lim_{nto infty}{1-left({phiover xi}right)^{n-1}over 1-left({phiover xi}right)^{n+1}}$$where $${phiover xi}={{1-sqrt 5over 2}over {1+sqrt 5over 2}}={1-sqrt 5over 1+sqrt 5}$$therefore $-1<{phi over xi}<0$and we obtain $$lim_{nto infty}{1-left({phiover xi}right)^{n-1}over 1-left({phiover xi}right)^{n+1}}={1over xi ^2}={3-sqrt 5over 2}$$
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We have$$limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{xi^{n-1}(1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}})}{xi^{n+1}(1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}})}={1over xi ^2}lim_{nto infty}{1-left({phiover xi}right)^{n-1}over 1-left({phiover xi}right)^{n+1}}$$where $${phiover xi}={{1-sqrt 5over 2}over {1+sqrt 5over 2}}={1-sqrt 5over 1+sqrt 5}$$therefore $-1<{phi over xi}<0$and we obtain $$lim_{nto infty}{1-left({phiover xi}right)^{n-1}over 1-left({phiover xi}right)^{n+1}}={1over xi ^2}={3-sqrt 5over 2}$$
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We have$$limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{xi^{n-1}(1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}})}{xi^{n+1}(1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}})}={1over xi ^2}lim_{nto infty}{1-left({phiover xi}right)^{n-1}over 1-left({phiover xi}right)^{n+1}}$$where $${phiover xi}={{1-sqrt 5over 2}over {1+sqrt 5over 2}}={1-sqrt 5over 1+sqrt 5}$$therefore $-1<{phi over xi}<0$and we obtain $$lim_{nto infty}{1-left({phiover xi}right)^{n-1}over 1-left({phiover xi}right)^{n+1}}={1over xi ^2}={3-sqrt 5over 2}$$
We have$$limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{xi^{n-1}(1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}})}{xi^{n+1}(1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}})}={1over xi ^2}lim_{nto infty}{1-left({phiover xi}right)^{n-1}over 1-left({phiover xi}right)^{n+1}}$$where $${phiover xi}={{1-sqrt 5over 2}over {1+sqrt 5over 2}}={1-sqrt 5over 1+sqrt 5}$$therefore $-1<{phi over xi}<0$and we obtain $$lim_{nto infty}{1-left({phiover xi}right)^{n-1}over 1-left({phiover xi}right)^{n+1}}={1over xi ^2}={3-sqrt 5over 2}$$
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$$F_{n+1}=F_n+F_{n-1}$$
$$impliesdfrac{F_{n+1}}{F_n}=dfrac{F_{n-1}}{F_n}+1$$
If $lim_{ntoinfty}dfrac{F_{n+1}}{F_n}=a,$ we have $$a=dfrac1a+1iff a^2-a-1=0, a=?$$
Finally $lim_{ntoinfty}dfrac{F_{n+1}}{F_{n-1}}=lim_{ntoinfty}dfrac{F_{n+1}}{F_n}cdotlim_{ntoinfty}dfrac{F_n}{F_{n-1}}=a^2$
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$$F_{n+1}=F_n+F_{n-1}$$
$$impliesdfrac{F_{n+1}}{F_n}=dfrac{F_{n-1}}{F_n}+1$$
If $lim_{ntoinfty}dfrac{F_{n+1}}{F_n}=a,$ we have $$a=dfrac1a+1iff a^2-a-1=0, a=?$$
Finally $lim_{ntoinfty}dfrac{F_{n+1}}{F_{n-1}}=lim_{ntoinfty}dfrac{F_{n+1}}{F_n}cdotlim_{ntoinfty}dfrac{F_n}{F_{n-1}}=a^2$
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$$F_{n+1}=F_n+F_{n-1}$$
$$impliesdfrac{F_{n+1}}{F_n}=dfrac{F_{n-1}}{F_n}+1$$
If $lim_{ntoinfty}dfrac{F_{n+1}}{F_n}=a,$ we have $$a=dfrac1a+1iff a^2-a-1=0, a=?$$
Finally $lim_{ntoinfty}dfrac{F_{n+1}}{F_{n-1}}=lim_{ntoinfty}dfrac{F_{n+1}}{F_n}cdotlim_{ntoinfty}dfrac{F_n}{F_{n-1}}=a^2$
$$F_{n+1}=F_n+F_{n-1}$$
$$impliesdfrac{F_{n+1}}{F_n}=dfrac{F_{n-1}}{F_n}+1$$
If $lim_{ntoinfty}dfrac{F_{n+1}}{F_n}=a,$ we have $$a=dfrac1a+1iff a^2-a-1=0, a=?$$
Finally $lim_{ntoinfty}dfrac{F_{n+1}}{F_{n-1}}=lim_{ntoinfty}dfrac{F_{n+1}}{F_n}cdotlim_{ntoinfty}dfrac{F_n}{F_{n-1}}=a^2$
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After$$lim_{ntoinfty}frac{F_{n-1}}{F_{n+1}}=lim_{ntoinfty}frac{frac{1}{sqrt{5}}left(xi^{n-1}-phi^{n-1}right)}{frac{1}{sqrt{5}}left(xi^{n+1}-phi^{n+1}right)},$$you should have obtained$$lim_{ntoinfty}frac{xi^{n-1}left(1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}}right)}{xi^{n+1}left(1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}}right)},$$which is equal to$$frac1{xi^2}lim_{ntoinfty}frac{1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}}}{1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}}}=frac1{xi^2}.$$
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After$$lim_{ntoinfty}frac{F_{n-1}}{F_{n+1}}=lim_{ntoinfty}frac{frac{1}{sqrt{5}}left(xi^{n-1}-phi^{n-1}right)}{frac{1}{sqrt{5}}left(xi^{n+1}-phi^{n+1}right)},$$you should have obtained$$lim_{ntoinfty}frac{xi^{n-1}left(1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}}right)}{xi^{n+1}left(1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}}right)},$$which is equal to$$frac1{xi^2}lim_{ntoinfty}frac{1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}}}{1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}}}=frac1{xi^2}.$$
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After$$lim_{ntoinfty}frac{F_{n-1}}{F_{n+1}}=lim_{ntoinfty}frac{frac{1}{sqrt{5}}left(xi^{n-1}-phi^{n-1}right)}{frac{1}{sqrt{5}}left(xi^{n+1}-phi^{n+1}right)},$$you should have obtained$$lim_{ntoinfty}frac{xi^{n-1}left(1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}}right)}{xi^{n+1}left(1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}}right)},$$which is equal to$$frac1{xi^2}lim_{ntoinfty}frac{1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}}}{1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}}}=frac1{xi^2}.$$
After$$lim_{ntoinfty}frac{F_{n-1}}{F_{n+1}}=lim_{ntoinfty}frac{frac{1}{sqrt{5}}left(xi^{n-1}-phi^{n-1}right)}{frac{1}{sqrt{5}}left(xi^{n+1}-phi^{n+1}right)},$$you should have obtained$$lim_{ntoinfty}frac{xi^{n-1}left(1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}}right)}{xi^{n+1}left(1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}}right)},$$which is equal to$$frac1{xi^2}lim_{ntoinfty}frac{1-frac{phi^{n-1}}{xi^{n-1}}}{1-frac{phi^{n+1}}{xi^{n+1}}}=frac1{xi^2}.$$
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How do you prove existence of $limlimits_{ntoinfty}frac{F_{n-1}}{F_{n+1}}$.
– Yadati Kiran
2 days ago
2
Are you sure it's $$F_{n+1} = F_{n-1} + F_{n-2}$$ and not $$F_n=F_{n-1}+F_{n-2}?$$
– 5xum
2 days ago
5
What is $F_2{}$?
– Arthur
2 days ago
3
In that case, how do you evaluate $displaystyle F_{2}$ ?.
– Felix Marin
2 days ago
1
Binet's formula is only valid if $F_n=F_{n-1}+F_{n-2}$.
– Teepeemm
2 days ago