Quitting during probation period
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I recently started a role for a new company. When I interviewed it was sold as a technical lead role, they seemed keen to implement new ideas and improve quality. After nearly three months at the job however it is apparent that this is absolutely not the case. The only focus is on getting things done as soon as possible and that leads to inevitable drop in quality.
I've always been proud that the code I wrote was of high quality and I was hoping this role would allow me to progress to the next level but I feel like I'm becoming a code monkey and rather than my skills improving I fear they are going to decrease as I'm just concentrating on doing things quickly instead of well.
I understand that in any business there is a fine line between speed and quality, but this just seems to too far the other way.
I'm therefore considering moving on. I'm nearly halfway through a 6 month probation period and after that expires then I have an extended notice period.
My question mainly concerns how I approach this scenario with potential new employers. I've got an unblemished record in the 11 years of my career and my last role prior to this one was 6 years so it's not like I'm a habitual job hopper. How can I explain to potential new employers my reasons for wanting to leave without sounding negative?
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I recently started a role for a new company. When I interviewed it was sold as a technical lead role, they seemed keen to implement new ideas and improve quality. After nearly three months at the job however it is apparent that this is absolutely not the case. The only focus is on getting things done as soon as possible and that leads to inevitable drop in quality.
I've always been proud that the code I wrote was of high quality and I was hoping this role would allow me to progress to the next level but I feel like I'm becoming a code monkey and rather than my skills improving I fear they are going to decrease as I'm just concentrating on doing things quickly instead of well.
I understand that in any business there is a fine line between speed and quality, but this just seems to too far the other way.
I'm therefore considering moving on. I'm nearly halfway through a 6 month probation period and after that expires then I have an extended notice period.
My question mainly concerns how I approach this scenario with potential new employers. I've got an unblemished record in the 11 years of my career and my last role prior to this one was 6 years so it's not like I'm a habitual job hopper. How can I explain to potential new employers my reasons for wanting to leave without sounding negative?
probation
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there's a duplicate of this question somewhere i think
– Kilisi
18 hours ago
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If you have an unblemished record why do you worry for this? This would be a problem if this "incident" would strengthen the idea that you are a job hopper, but given your record that is not the case.
– Bakuriu
14 hours ago
@Kilisi There are a few, but the top-voted answers to all of them focus heavily on the specific details of the question instead of trying to answer the more general question, thus making them terrible duplicate targets, like many questions here.
– Dukeling
11 hours ago
Remember to get a new job first, even if your a desirable candidate, having a job currently usually makes one more enticing for hire.
– Mark Rogers
11 hours ago
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I recently started a role for a new company. When I interviewed it was sold as a technical lead role, they seemed keen to implement new ideas and improve quality. After nearly three months at the job however it is apparent that this is absolutely not the case. The only focus is on getting things done as soon as possible and that leads to inevitable drop in quality.
I've always been proud that the code I wrote was of high quality and I was hoping this role would allow me to progress to the next level but I feel like I'm becoming a code monkey and rather than my skills improving I fear they are going to decrease as I'm just concentrating on doing things quickly instead of well.
I understand that in any business there is a fine line between speed and quality, but this just seems to too far the other way.
I'm therefore considering moving on. I'm nearly halfway through a 6 month probation period and after that expires then I have an extended notice period.
My question mainly concerns how I approach this scenario with potential new employers. I've got an unblemished record in the 11 years of my career and my last role prior to this one was 6 years so it's not like I'm a habitual job hopper. How can I explain to potential new employers my reasons for wanting to leave without sounding negative?
probation
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I recently started a role for a new company. When I interviewed it was sold as a technical lead role, they seemed keen to implement new ideas and improve quality. After nearly three months at the job however it is apparent that this is absolutely not the case. The only focus is on getting things done as soon as possible and that leads to inevitable drop in quality.
I've always been proud that the code I wrote was of high quality and I was hoping this role would allow me to progress to the next level but I feel like I'm becoming a code monkey and rather than my skills improving I fear they are going to decrease as I'm just concentrating on doing things quickly instead of well.
I understand that in any business there is a fine line between speed and quality, but this just seems to too far the other way.
I'm therefore considering moving on. I'm nearly halfway through a 6 month probation period and after that expires then I have an extended notice period.
My question mainly concerns how I approach this scenario with potential new employers. I've got an unblemished record in the 11 years of my career and my last role prior to this one was 6 years so it's not like I'm a habitual job hopper. How can I explain to potential new employers my reasons for wanting to leave without sounding negative?
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there's a duplicate of this question somewhere i think
– Kilisi
18 hours ago
1
If you have an unblemished record why do you worry for this? This would be a problem if this "incident" would strengthen the idea that you are a job hopper, but given your record that is not the case.
– Bakuriu
14 hours ago
@Kilisi There are a few, but the top-voted answers to all of them focus heavily on the specific details of the question instead of trying to answer the more general question, thus making them terrible duplicate targets, like many questions here.
– Dukeling
11 hours ago
Remember to get a new job first, even if your a desirable candidate, having a job currently usually makes one more enticing for hire.
– Mark Rogers
11 hours ago
add a comment |
2
there's a duplicate of this question somewhere i think
– Kilisi
18 hours ago
1
If you have an unblemished record why do you worry for this? This would be a problem if this "incident" would strengthen the idea that you are a job hopper, but given your record that is not the case.
– Bakuriu
14 hours ago
@Kilisi There are a few, but the top-voted answers to all of them focus heavily on the specific details of the question instead of trying to answer the more general question, thus making them terrible duplicate targets, like many questions here.
– Dukeling
11 hours ago
Remember to get a new job first, even if your a desirable candidate, having a job currently usually makes one more enticing for hire.
– Mark Rogers
11 hours ago
2
2
there's a duplicate of this question somewhere i think
– Kilisi
18 hours ago
there's a duplicate of this question somewhere i think
– Kilisi
18 hours ago
1
1
If you have an unblemished record why do you worry for this? This would be a problem if this "incident" would strengthen the idea that you are a job hopper, but given your record that is not the case.
– Bakuriu
14 hours ago
If you have an unblemished record why do you worry for this? This would be a problem if this "incident" would strengthen the idea that you are a job hopper, but given your record that is not the case.
– Bakuriu
14 hours ago
@Kilisi There are a few, but the top-voted answers to all of them focus heavily on the specific details of the question instead of trying to answer the more general question, thus making them terrible duplicate targets, like many questions here.
– Dukeling
11 hours ago
@Kilisi There are a few, but the top-voted answers to all of them focus heavily on the specific details of the question instead of trying to answer the more general question, thus making them terrible duplicate targets, like many questions here.
– Dukeling
11 hours ago
Remember to get a new job first, even if your a desirable candidate, having a job currently usually makes one more enticing for hire.
– Mark Rogers
11 hours ago
Remember to get a new job first, even if your a desirable candidate, having a job currently usually makes one more enticing for hire.
– Mark Rogers
11 hours ago
add a comment |
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When asked why you want to move on, just say it wasn't a good fit and don't go into more detail as you don't want to come across as a whiner.
answered 19 hours ago
user1666620
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"Wasn't a good fit" is very vague. Isn't there a risk that will be interpreted as that you were fired or you might've had issues with coworkers, thus you could be difficult to work with? What if they ask you to elaborate?
– Dukeling
18 hours ago
@Dukeling that's a risk - going into more detail might dig you into a hole you might not be able to get out of. You could be somewhat more honest and say "the work wasn't as interesting as I initially thought it would be", but at the end of the day it is incredibly rare that work is interesting at all.
– user1666620
17 hours ago
1
@Dukeling reverse the situation - the company is going to let someone go during probation period. How often do you think "you aren't a good fit" is used? Remember, probation periods aren't just for the company to make sure you are a "keeper" - it gives you the worker a chance to determine if this is a company you really want to work for
– ivanivan
13 hours ago
@ivanivan That doesn't seem to contradict anything I wrote in my comment. I do hope you can appreciate the difference between when a company is firing an employee and when you're explaining why you are leaving or have left to a potential employer, and how it doesn't make sense to indiscriminately use the same approach for both.
– Dukeling
11 hours ago
@Dukeling - I interpreted the answer as to be part of an exit interview, or when the questioner was actually giving notice. Also, when it comes to letting someone go, I see a difference between not making it out of the probation period (good worker, done on time, has skills required etc. but just didn't "mesh" w/ corp culture, etc) vs. doing something that deserved firing or having your position eliminated.
– ivanivan
5 hours ago
add a comment |
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Explain the issue you had, why this was an issue, how you discussed with your boss to try and resolve it but it was not resolved, why you decided to leave because of it, and what you are looking for in your new role.
This shows that you are proactive and tried your best to make the situation work. It also makes it clear what you want from your new role so you don't end up in the same situation again.
answered 19 hours ago
k--
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This is the approach I used in my last interview and I believe it made me look strong and experienced. Show you are able to learn and reason. Wording is very important so it does not come off as whining, I said upfront that I did not want to go into too much detail but that we could discuss the issues on a high level.
– Emil Vikström
18 hours ago
add a comment |
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2 Answers
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up vote
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When asked why you want to move on, just say it wasn't a good fit and don't go into more detail as you don't want to come across as a whiner.
answered 19 hours ago
user1666620
8,87473232
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"Wasn't a good fit" is very vague. Isn't there a risk that will be interpreted as that you were fired or you might've had issues with coworkers, thus you could be difficult to work with? What if they ask you to elaborate?
– Dukeling
18 hours ago
@Dukeling that's a risk - going into more detail might dig you into a hole you might not be able to get out of. You could be somewhat more honest and say "the work wasn't as interesting as I initially thought it would be", but at the end of the day it is incredibly rare that work is interesting at all.
– user1666620
17 hours ago
1
@Dukeling reverse the situation - the company is going to let someone go during probation period. How often do you think "you aren't a good fit" is used? Remember, probation periods aren't just for the company to make sure you are a "keeper" - it gives you the worker a chance to determine if this is a company you really want to work for
– ivanivan
13 hours ago
@ivanivan That doesn't seem to contradict anything I wrote in my comment. I do hope you can appreciate the difference between when a company is firing an employee and when you're explaining why you are leaving or have left to a potential employer, and how it doesn't make sense to indiscriminately use the same approach for both.
– Dukeling
11 hours ago
@Dukeling - I interpreted the answer as to be part of an exit interview, or when the questioner was actually giving notice. Also, when it comes to letting someone go, I see a difference between not making it out of the probation period (good worker, done on time, has skills required etc. but just didn't "mesh" w/ corp culture, etc) vs. doing something that deserved firing or having your position eliminated.
– ivanivan
5 hours ago
add a comment |
up vote
12
down vote
When asked why you want to move on, just say it wasn't a good fit and don't go into more detail as you don't want to come across as a whiner.
answered 19 hours ago
user1666620
8,87473232
1
"Wasn't a good fit" is very vague. Isn't there a risk that will be interpreted as that you were fired or you might've had issues with coworkers, thus you could be difficult to work with? What if they ask you to elaborate?
– Dukeling
18 hours ago
@Dukeling that's a risk - going into more detail might dig you into a hole you might not be able to get out of. You could be somewhat more honest and say "the work wasn't as interesting as I initially thought it would be", but at the end of the day it is incredibly rare that work is interesting at all.
– user1666620
17 hours ago
1
@Dukeling reverse the situation - the company is going to let someone go during probation period. How often do you think "you aren't a good fit" is used? Remember, probation periods aren't just for the company to make sure you are a "keeper" - it gives you the worker a chance to determine if this is a company you really want to work for
– ivanivan
13 hours ago
@ivanivan That doesn't seem to contradict anything I wrote in my comment. I do hope you can appreciate the difference between when a company is firing an employee and when you're explaining why you are leaving or have left to a potential employer, and how it doesn't make sense to indiscriminately use the same approach for both.
– Dukeling
11 hours ago
@Dukeling - I interpreted the answer as to be part of an exit interview, or when the questioner was actually giving notice. Also, when it comes to letting someone go, I see a difference between not making it out of the probation period (good worker, done on time, has skills required etc. but just didn't "mesh" w/ corp culture, etc) vs. doing something that deserved firing or having your position eliminated.
– ivanivan
5 hours ago
add a comment |
up vote
12
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up vote
12
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When asked why you want to move on, just say it wasn't a good fit and don't go into more detail as you don't want to come across as a whiner.
answered 19 hours ago
user1666620
8,87473232
When asked why you want to move on, just say it wasn't a good fit and don't go into more detail as you don't want to come across as a whiner.
answered 19 hours ago
user1666620
8,87473232
edited 17 hours ago
answered 19 hours ago
user1666620
8,87473232
answered 19 hours ago
user1666620
8,87473232
answered 19 hours ago
user1666620
8,87473232
8,87473232
1
"Wasn't a good fit" is very vague. Isn't there a risk that will be interpreted as that you were fired or you might've had issues with coworkers, thus you could be difficult to work with? What if they ask you to elaborate?
– Dukeling
18 hours ago
@Dukeling that's a risk - going into more detail might dig you into a hole you might not be able to get out of. You could be somewhat more honest and say "the work wasn't as interesting as I initially thought it would be", but at the end of the day it is incredibly rare that work is interesting at all.
– user1666620
17 hours ago
1
@Dukeling reverse the situation - the company is going to let someone go during probation period. How often do you think "you aren't a good fit" is used? Remember, probation periods aren't just for the company to make sure you are a "keeper" - it gives you the worker a chance to determine if this is a company you really want to work for
– ivanivan
13 hours ago
@ivanivan That doesn't seem to contradict anything I wrote in my comment. I do hope you can appreciate the difference between when a company is firing an employee and when you're explaining why you are leaving or have left to a potential employer, and how it doesn't make sense to indiscriminately use the same approach for both.
– Dukeling
11 hours ago
@Dukeling - I interpreted the answer as to be part of an exit interview, or when the questioner was actually giving notice. Also, when it comes to letting someone go, I see a difference between not making it out of the probation period (good worker, done on time, has skills required etc. but just didn't "mesh" w/ corp culture, etc) vs. doing something that deserved firing or having your position eliminated.
– ivanivan
5 hours ago
add a comment |
1
"Wasn't a good fit" is very vague. Isn't there a risk that will be interpreted as that you were fired or you might've had issues with coworkers, thus you could be difficult to work with? What if they ask you to elaborate?
– Dukeling
18 hours ago
@Dukeling that's a risk - going into more detail might dig you into a hole you might not be able to get out of. You could be somewhat more honest and say "the work wasn't as interesting as I initially thought it would be", but at the end of the day it is incredibly rare that work is interesting at all.
– user1666620
17 hours ago
1
@Dukeling reverse the situation - the company is going to let someone go during probation period. How often do you think "you aren't a good fit" is used? Remember, probation periods aren't just for the company to make sure you are a "keeper" - it gives you the worker a chance to determine if this is a company you really want to work for
– ivanivan
13 hours ago
@ivanivan That doesn't seem to contradict anything I wrote in my comment. I do hope you can appreciate the difference between when a company is firing an employee and when you're explaining why you are leaving or have left to a potential employer, and how it doesn't make sense to indiscriminately use the same approach for both.
– Dukeling
11 hours ago
@Dukeling - I interpreted the answer as to be part of an exit interview, or when the questioner was actually giving notice. Also, when it comes to letting someone go, I see a difference between not making it out of the probation period (good worker, done on time, has skills required etc. but just didn't "mesh" w/ corp culture, etc) vs. doing something that deserved firing or having your position eliminated.
– ivanivan
5 hours ago
1
1
"Wasn't a good fit" is very vague. Isn't there a risk that will be interpreted as that you were fired or you might've had issues with coworkers, thus you could be difficult to work with? What if they ask you to elaborate?
– Dukeling
18 hours ago
"Wasn't a good fit" is very vague. Isn't there a risk that will be interpreted as that you were fired or you might've had issues with coworkers, thus you could be difficult to work with? What if they ask you to elaborate?
– Dukeling
18 hours ago
@Dukeling that's a risk - going into more detail might dig you into a hole you might not be able to get out of. You could be somewhat more honest and say "the work wasn't as interesting as I initially thought it would be", but at the end of the day it is incredibly rare that work is interesting at all.
– user1666620
17 hours ago
@Dukeling that's a risk - going into more detail might dig you into a hole you might not be able to get out of. You could be somewhat more honest and say "the work wasn't as interesting as I initially thought it would be", but at the end of the day it is incredibly rare that work is interesting at all.
– user1666620
17 hours ago
1
1
@Dukeling reverse the situation - the company is going to let someone go during probation period. How often do you think "you aren't a good fit" is used? Remember, probation periods aren't just for the company to make sure you are a "keeper" - it gives you the worker a chance to determine if this is a company you really want to work for
– ivanivan
13 hours ago
@Dukeling reverse the situation - the company is going to let someone go during probation period. How often do you think "you aren't a good fit" is used? Remember, probation periods aren't just for the company to make sure you are a "keeper" - it gives you the worker a chance to determine if this is a company you really want to work for
– ivanivan
13 hours ago
@ivanivan That doesn't seem to contradict anything I wrote in my comment. I do hope you can appreciate the difference between when a company is firing an employee and when you're explaining why you are leaving or have left to a potential employer, and how it doesn't make sense to indiscriminately use the same approach for both.
– Dukeling
11 hours ago
@ivanivan That doesn't seem to contradict anything I wrote in my comment. I do hope you can appreciate the difference between when a company is firing an employee and when you're explaining why you are leaving or have left to a potential employer, and how it doesn't make sense to indiscriminately use the same approach for both.
– Dukeling
11 hours ago
@Dukeling - I interpreted the answer as to be part of an exit interview, or when the questioner was actually giving notice. Also, when it comes to letting someone go, I see a difference between not making it out of the probation period (good worker, done on time, has skills required etc. but just didn't "mesh" w/ corp culture, etc) vs. doing something that deserved firing or having your position eliminated.
– ivanivan
5 hours ago
@Dukeling - I interpreted the answer as to be part of an exit interview, or when the questioner was actually giving notice. Also, when it comes to letting someone go, I see a difference between not making it out of the probation period (good worker, done on time, has skills required etc. but just didn't "mesh" w/ corp culture, etc) vs. doing something that deserved firing or having your position eliminated.
– ivanivan
5 hours ago
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up vote
7
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Explain the issue you had, why this was an issue, how you discussed with your boss to try and resolve it but it was not resolved, why you decided to leave because of it, and what you are looking for in your new role.
This shows that you are proactive and tried your best to make the situation work. It also makes it clear what you want from your new role so you don't end up in the same situation again.
answered 19 hours ago
k--
22616
2
This is the approach I used in my last interview and I believe it made me look strong and experienced. Show you are able to learn and reason. Wording is very important so it does not come off as whining, I said upfront that I did not want to go into too much detail but that we could discuss the issues on a high level.
– Emil Vikström
18 hours ago
add a comment |
up vote
7
down vote
Explain the issue you had, why this was an issue, how you discussed with your boss to try and resolve it but it was not resolved, why you decided to leave because of it, and what you are looking for in your new role.
This shows that you are proactive and tried your best to make the situation work. It also makes it clear what you want from your new role so you don't end up in the same situation again.
answered 19 hours ago
k--
22616
2
This is the approach I used in my last interview and I believe it made me look strong and experienced. Show you are able to learn and reason. Wording is very important so it does not come off as whining, I said upfront that I did not want to go into too much detail but that we could discuss the issues on a high level.
– Emil Vikström
18 hours ago
add a comment |
up vote
7
down vote
up vote
7
down vote
Explain the issue you had, why this was an issue, how you discussed with your boss to try and resolve it but it was not resolved, why you decided to leave because of it, and what you are looking for in your new role.
This shows that you are proactive and tried your best to make the situation work. It also makes it clear what you want from your new role so you don't end up in the same situation again.
answered 19 hours ago
k--
22616
Explain the issue you had, why this was an issue, how you discussed with your boss to try and resolve it but it was not resolved, why you decided to leave because of it, and what you are looking for in your new role.
This shows that you are proactive and tried your best to make the situation work. It also makes it clear what you want from your new role so you don't end up in the same situation again.
answered 19 hours ago
k--
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answered 19 hours ago
k--
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answered 19 hours ago
k--
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answered 19 hours ago
k--
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This is the approach I used in my last interview and I believe it made me look strong and experienced. Show you are able to learn and reason. Wording is very important so it does not come off as whining, I said upfront that I did not want to go into too much detail but that we could discuss the issues on a high level.
– Emil Vikström
18 hours ago
add a comment |
2
This is the approach I used in my last interview and I believe it made me look strong and experienced. Show you are able to learn and reason. Wording is very important so it does not come off as whining, I said upfront that I did not want to go into too much detail but that we could discuss the issues on a high level.
– Emil Vikström
18 hours ago
2
2
This is the approach I used in my last interview and I believe it made me look strong and experienced. Show you are able to learn and reason. Wording is very important so it does not come off as whining, I said upfront that I did not want to go into too much detail but that we could discuss the issues on a high level.
– Emil Vikström
18 hours ago
This is the approach I used in my last interview and I believe it made me look strong and experienced. Show you are able to learn and reason. Wording is very important so it does not come off as whining, I said upfront that I did not want to go into too much detail but that we could discuss the issues on a high level.
– Emil Vikström
18 hours ago
add a comment |
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there's a duplicate of this question somewhere i think
– Kilisi
18 hours ago
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If you have an unblemished record why do you worry for this? This would be a problem if this "incident" would strengthen the idea that you are a job hopper, but given your record that is not the case.
– Bakuriu
14 hours ago
@Kilisi There are a few, but the top-voted answers to all of them focus heavily on the specific details of the question instead of trying to answer the more general question, thus making them terrible duplicate targets, like many questions here.
– Dukeling
11 hours ago
Remember to get a new job first, even if your a desirable candidate, having a job currently usually makes one more enticing for hire.
– Mark Rogers
11 hours ago