Using Tesseract as a time stone?
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In Captain America: The First Avenger, during the final one-on-one fight between Captain America and Red Skull, Red Skull says "I have seen the future, there are no flags" to which Cap replies "Not my future!" and continues fighting, leading to teleportation of Red Skull to Vormir.
Having the Tesseract for quite some time, and being aware of Greek mythology (familiar with terms like Yggdrasil, the tree of life, alien tech etc) did he somehow manage to use Tesseract to see the future, or what else was the above conversation about?
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In Captain America: The First Avenger, during the final one-on-one fight between Captain America and Red Skull, Red Skull says "I have seen the future, there are no flags" to which Cap replies "Not my future!" and continues fighting, leading to teleportation of Red Skull to Vormir.
Having the Tesseract for quite some time, and being aware of Greek mythology (familiar with terms like Yggdrasil, the tree of life, alien tech etc) did he somehow manage to use Tesseract to see the future, or what else was the above conversation about?
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I think you are thinking of norse mithology, not greek. The closest thing the greeks had to a 'tree of life' is the olive tree.
– Mindwin
19 hours ago
tree of life wiki page also don't mention about any Greek connection.
– Ankit Sharma
17 hours ago
Tangential, but considering the laws of relativity, a space stone should be able to manipulate time and vice versa.
– Arturo Torres Sánchez
8 hours ago
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In Captain America: The First Avenger, during the final one-on-one fight between Captain America and Red Skull, Red Skull says "I have seen the future, there are no flags" to which Cap replies "Not my future!" and continues fighting, leading to teleportation of Red Skull to Vormir.
Having the Tesseract for quite some time, and being aware of Greek mythology (familiar with terms like Yggdrasil, the tree of life, alien tech etc) did he somehow manage to use Tesseract to see the future, or what else was the above conversation about?
plot-explanation marvel-cinematic-universe captain-america-the-first-avenger
In Captain America: The First Avenger, during the final one-on-one fight between Captain America and Red Skull, Red Skull says "I have seen the future, there are no flags" to which Cap replies "Not my future!" and continues fighting, leading to teleportation of Red Skull to Vormir.
Having the Tesseract for quite some time, and being aware of Greek mythology (familiar with terms like Yggdrasil, the tree of life, alien tech etc) did he somehow manage to use Tesseract to see the future, or what else was the above conversation about?
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I think you are thinking of norse mithology, not greek. The closest thing the greeks had to a 'tree of life' is the olive tree.
– Mindwin
19 hours ago
tree of life wiki page also don't mention about any Greek connection.
– Ankit Sharma
17 hours ago
Tangential, but considering the laws of relativity, a space stone should be able to manipulate time and vice versa.
– Arturo Torres Sánchez
8 hours ago
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I think you are thinking of norse mithology, not greek. The closest thing the greeks had to a 'tree of life' is the olive tree.
– Mindwin
19 hours ago
tree of life wiki page also don't mention about any Greek connection.
– Ankit Sharma
17 hours ago
Tangential, but considering the laws of relativity, a space stone should be able to manipulate time and vice versa.
– Arturo Torres Sánchez
8 hours ago
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I think you are thinking of norse mithology, not greek. The closest thing the greeks had to a 'tree of life' is the olive tree.
– Mindwin
19 hours ago
I think you are thinking of norse mithology, not greek. The closest thing the greeks had to a 'tree of life' is the olive tree.
– Mindwin
19 hours ago
tree of life wiki page also don't mention about any Greek connection.
– Ankit Sharma
17 hours ago
tree of life wiki page also don't mention about any Greek connection.
– Ankit Sharma
17 hours ago
Tangential, but considering the laws of relativity, a space stone should be able to manipulate time and vice versa.
– Arturo Torres Sánchez
8 hours ago
Tangential, but considering the laws of relativity, a space stone should be able to manipulate time and vice versa.
– Arturo Torres Sánchez
8 hours ago
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He did NOT literally see the future, of course, because that isn't at all what happened (in his future). He is simply talking about his vision for the future, presumably when the entire earth is ruled by him and Hydra so there is no need for national flags.
This is just a villain being overconfident in his victory and using metaphorical language.
Also, the space stone (The Tesseract) doesn't give you the ability to see through time. Red skull was never even able to get it to manipulate space, all he ever did was tap it like some sort of energy source for his weapons. The moment he first touched it outside of that he got teleported elsewhere, possibly Vormir.
ya, that was Vormir for sure, later revealed in Infinity War
– master ArSuKa
21 hours ago
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He ended up in Vormir for sure, i'm just not sure if he went elsewhere first (some online chatter about that). Anyway, I hope that answers your question
– Ofer Sadan
20 hours ago
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During Infinity War he did say "A lifetime ago, I, too, sought the stones. I even held one in my hand. But it cast me out, banished me here. Guiding others to a treasure I cannot possess."
– sudo
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@sudo again, we don't know the full journey even with that summary, so I didn't want to speculate... but i do agree that is what's most likely and obvious
– Ofer Sadan
17 hours ago
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In Universe: Figure of speech
Out of Universe: Foreshadowing.
He can't see future as he will not purposefully ruin his future by being stonekeeper and nothing suggest he can see the future, he just said for impact but it was also for audience as foreshadowing as spotted by reddit user. And Captain America having no flag on his cloths is also nod to Nomad.
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He did NOT literally see the future, of course, because that isn't at all what happened (in his future). He is simply talking about his vision for the future, presumably when the entire earth is ruled by him and Hydra so there is no need for national flags.
This is just a villain being overconfident in his victory and using metaphorical language.
Also, the space stone (The Tesseract) doesn't give you the ability to see through time. Red skull was never even able to get it to manipulate space, all he ever did was tap it like some sort of energy source for his weapons. The moment he first touched it outside of that he got teleported elsewhere, possibly Vormir.
ya, that was Vormir for sure, later revealed in Infinity War
– master ArSuKa
21 hours ago
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He ended up in Vormir for sure, i'm just not sure if he went elsewhere first (some online chatter about that). Anyway, I hope that answers your question
– Ofer Sadan
20 hours ago
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During Infinity War he did say "A lifetime ago, I, too, sought the stones. I even held one in my hand. But it cast me out, banished me here. Guiding others to a treasure I cannot possess."
– sudo
18 hours ago
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@sudo again, we don't know the full journey even with that summary, so I didn't want to speculate... but i do agree that is what's most likely and obvious
– Ofer Sadan
17 hours ago
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He did NOT literally see the future, of course, because that isn't at all what happened (in his future). He is simply talking about his vision for the future, presumably when the entire earth is ruled by him and Hydra so there is no need for national flags.
This is just a villain being overconfident in his victory and using metaphorical language.
Also, the space stone (The Tesseract) doesn't give you the ability to see through time. Red skull was never even able to get it to manipulate space, all he ever did was tap it like some sort of energy source for his weapons. The moment he first touched it outside of that he got teleported elsewhere, possibly Vormir.
ya, that was Vormir for sure, later revealed in Infinity War
– master ArSuKa
21 hours ago
5
He ended up in Vormir for sure, i'm just not sure if he went elsewhere first (some online chatter about that). Anyway, I hope that answers your question
– Ofer Sadan
20 hours ago
5
During Infinity War he did say "A lifetime ago, I, too, sought the stones. I even held one in my hand. But it cast me out, banished me here. Guiding others to a treasure I cannot possess."
– sudo
18 hours ago
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@sudo again, we don't know the full journey even with that summary, so I didn't want to speculate... but i do agree that is what's most likely and obvious
– Ofer Sadan
17 hours ago
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up vote
30
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He did NOT literally see the future, of course, because that isn't at all what happened (in his future). He is simply talking about his vision for the future, presumably when the entire earth is ruled by him and Hydra so there is no need for national flags.
This is just a villain being overconfident in his victory and using metaphorical language.
Also, the space stone (The Tesseract) doesn't give you the ability to see through time. Red skull was never even able to get it to manipulate space, all he ever did was tap it like some sort of energy source for his weapons. The moment he first touched it outside of that he got teleported elsewhere, possibly Vormir.
He did NOT literally see the future, of course, because that isn't at all what happened (in his future). He is simply talking about his vision for the future, presumably when the entire earth is ruled by him and Hydra so there is no need for national flags.
This is just a villain being overconfident in his victory and using metaphorical language.
Also, the space stone (The Tesseract) doesn't give you the ability to see through time. Red skull was never even able to get it to manipulate space, all he ever did was tap it like some sort of energy source for his weapons. The moment he first touched it outside of that he got teleported elsewhere, possibly Vormir.
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ya, that was Vormir for sure, later revealed in Infinity War
– master ArSuKa
21 hours ago
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He ended up in Vormir for sure, i'm just not sure if he went elsewhere first (some online chatter about that). Anyway, I hope that answers your question
– Ofer Sadan
20 hours ago
5
During Infinity War he did say "A lifetime ago, I, too, sought the stones. I even held one in my hand. But it cast me out, banished me here. Guiding others to a treasure I cannot possess."
– sudo
18 hours ago
2
@sudo again, we don't know the full journey even with that summary, so I didn't want to speculate... but i do agree that is what's most likely and obvious
– Ofer Sadan
17 hours ago
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ya, that was Vormir for sure, later revealed in Infinity War
– master ArSuKa
21 hours ago
5
He ended up in Vormir for sure, i'm just not sure if he went elsewhere first (some online chatter about that). Anyway, I hope that answers your question
– Ofer Sadan
20 hours ago
5
During Infinity War he did say "A lifetime ago, I, too, sought the stones. I even held one in my hand. But it cast me out, banished me here. Guiding others to a treasure I cannot possess."
– sudo
18 hours ago
2
@sudo again, we don't know the full journey even with that summary, so I didn't want to speculate... but i do agree that is what's most likely and obvious
– Ofer Sadan
17 hours ago
ya, that was Vormir for sure, later revealed in Infinity War
– master ArSuKa
21 hours ago
ya, that was Vormir for sure, later revealed in Infinity War
– master ArSuKa
21 hours ago
5
5
He ended up in Vormir for sure, i'm just not sure if he went elsewhere first (some online chatter about that). Anyway, I hope that answers your question
– Ofer Sadan
20 hours ago
He ended up in Vormir for sure, i'm just not sure if he went elsewhere first (some online chatter about that). Anyway, I hope that answers your question
– Ofer Sadan
20 hours ago
5
5
During Infinity War he did say "A lifetime ago, I, too, sought the stones. I even held one in my hand. But it cast me out, banished me here. Guiding others to a treasure I cannot possess."
– sudo
18 hours ago
During Infinity War he did say "A lifetime ago, I, too, sought the stones. I even held one in my hand. But it cast me out, banished me here. Guiding others to a treasure I cannot possess."
– sudo
18 hours ago
2
2
@sudo again, we don't know the full journey even with that summary, so I didn't want to speculate... but i do agree that is what's most likely and obvious
– Ofer Sadan
17 hours ago
@sudo again, we don't know the full journey even with that summary, so I didn't want to speculate... but i do agree that is what's most likely and obvious
– Ofer Sadan
17 hours ago
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In Universe: Figure of speech
Out of Universe: Foreshadowing.
He can't see future as he will not purposefully ruin his future by being stonekeeper and nothing suggest he can see the future, he just said for impact but it was also for audience as foreshadowing as spotted by reddit user. And Captain America having no flag on his cloths is also nod to Nomad.
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In Universe: Figure of speech
Out of Universe: Foreshadowing.
He can't see future as he will not purposefully ruin his future by being stonekeeper and nothing suggest he can see the future, he just said for impact but it was also for audience as foreshadowing as spotted by reddit user. And Captain America having no flag on his cloths is also nod to Nomad.
add a comment |
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In Universe: Figure of speech
Out of Universe: Foreshadowing.
He can't see future as he will not purposefully ruin his future by being stonekeeper and nothing suggest he can see the future, he just said for impact but it was also for audience as foreshadowing as spotted by reddit user. And Captain America having no flag on his cloths is also nod to Nomad.
In Universe: Figure of speech
Out of Universe: Foreshadowing.
He can't see future as he will not purposefully ruin his future by being stonekeeper and nothing suggest he can see the future, he just said for impact but it was also for audience as foreshadowing as spotted by reddit user. And Captain America having no flag on his cloths is also nod to Nomad.
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I think you are thinking of norse mithology, not greek. The closest thing the greeks had to a 'tree of life' is the olive tree.
– Mindwin
19 hours ago
tree of life wiki page also don't mention about any Greek connection.
– Ankit Sharma
17 hours ago
Tangential, but considering the laws of relativity, a space stone should be able to manipulate time and vice versa.
– Arturo Torres Sánchez
8 hours ago