Past perfect: had --> have + was VS had --> have had + was
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Which is correct?
If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have no idea who was behind it.
If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have had no idea who was behind it.
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Which is correct?
If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have no idea who was behind it.
If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have had no idea who was behind it.
https://www.grammarly.com/blog/past-perfect/
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They're both correct, but with different meanings. 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would now have no idea who was behind it.' // 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have had no idea who was behind it, and would have been unable to award him the employee suggestion award that year.'
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Which is correct?
If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have no idea who was behind it.
If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have had no idea who was behind it.
https://www.grammarly.com/blog/past-perfect/
past-perfect
asked Mar 26 at 15:31
Jun Dalisay
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Which is correct?
If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have no idea who was behind it.
If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have had no idea who was behind it.
https://www.grammarly.com/blog/past-perfect/
past-perfect
past-perfect
asked Mar 26 at 15:31
Jun Dalisay
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asked Mar 26 at 15:31
Jun Dalisay
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asked Mar 26 at 15:31
Jun Dalisay
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asked Mar 26 at 15:31
Jun Dalisay
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asked Mar 26 at 15:31
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They're both correct, but with different meanings. 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would now have no idea who was behind it.' // 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have had no idea who was behind it, and would have been unable to award him the employee suggestion award that year.'
– Edwin Ashworth
Mar 26 at 20:15
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They're both correct, but with different meanings. 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would now have no idea who was behind it.' // 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have had no idea who was behind it, and would have been unable to award him the employee suggestion award that year.'
– Edwin Ashworth
Mar 26 at 20:15
They're both correct, but with different meanings. 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would now have no idea who was behind it.' // 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have had no idea who was behind it, and would have been unable to award him the employee suggestion award that year.'
– Edwin Ashworth
Mar 26 at 20:15
They're both correct, but with different meanings. 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would now have no idea who was behind it.' // 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have had no idea who was behind it, and would have been unable to award him the employee suggestion award that year.'
– Edwin Ashworth
Mar 26 at 20:15
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I think they are both OK. Say "we would have had no idea" if you are talking about what (hypothetically) we would have known at a certain time in the past. But say "we would have no idea" if you are talking about what (hypothetically) we would know now.
answered Mar 26 at 16:14
GEdgar
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Regarding the first one, wouldn't it be better to say: 'If Mark didn't include his own name, we would have no idea." ?
– Jun Dalisay
Mar 26 at 19:29
I guess I do not want to use the simple past for a hypothetical situation.
– GEdgar
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This is the correct answer because it is the third conditional sentence - If mark had not included his name in the message, he would not have had no idea who was behind it. We make the third conditional by using the past perfect after 'if' and then 'would have' and the past participle in the second part of the sentence:
if + past perfect, ...would + have + past participle
https://www.perfect-english-grammar.com/third-conditional.html
answered Sep 24 at 19:05
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The latter of the two is correct. The importance of saying "we would have had..." is that it maintains the same tense throughout the sentence.
answered Mar 26 at 16:10
Nico
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Tenses exist to show that everything didn't happen at the same time. If you insist on using the same tense throughout, you defeat the whole purpose of tenses.
– Peter Shor
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I think they are both OK. Say "we would have had no idea" if you are talking about what (hypothetically) we would have known at a certain time in the past. But say "we would have no idea" if you are talking about what (hypothetically) we would know now.
answered Mar 26 at 16:14
GEdgar
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Regarding the first one, wouldn't it be better to say: 'If Mark didn't include his own name, we would have no idea." ?
– Jun Dalisay
Mar 26 at 19:29
I guess I do not want to use the simple past for a hypothetical situation.
– GEdgar
Mar 26 at 20:01
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I think they are both OK. Say "we would have had no idea" if you are talking about what (hypothetically) we would have known at a certain time in the past. But say "we would have no idea" if you are talking about what (hypothetically) we would know now.
answered Mar 26 at 16:14
GEdgar
13.1k22043
Regarding the first one, wouldn't it be better to say: 'If Mark didn't include his own name, we would have no idea." ?
– Jun Dalisay
Mar 26 at 19:29
I guess I do not want to use the simple past for a hypothetical situation.
– GEdgar
Mar 26 at 20:01
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I think they are both OK. Say "we would have had no idea" if you are talking about what (hypothetically) we would have known at a certain time in the past. But say "we would have no idea" if you are talking about what (hypothetically) we would know now.
answered Mar 26 at 16:14
GEdgar
13.1k22043
I think they are both OK. Say "we would have had no idea" if you are talking about what (hypothetically) we would have known at a certain time in the past. But say "we would have no idea" if you are talking about what (hypothetically) we would know now.
answered Mar 26 at 16:14
GEdgar
13.1k22043
answered Mar 26 at 16:14
GEdgar
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answered Mar 26 at 16:14
GEdgar
13.1k22043
answered Mar 26 at 16:14
GEdgar
13.1k22043
13.1k22043
Regarding the first one, wouldn't it be better to say: 'If Mark didn't include his own name, we would have no idea." ?
– Jun Dalisay
Mar 26 at 19:29
I guess I do not want to use the simple past for a hypothetical situation.
– GEdgar
Mar 26 at 20:01
add a comment |
Regarding the first one, wouldn't it be better to say: 'If Mark didn't include his own name, we would have no idea." ?
– Jun Dalisay
Mar 26 at 19:29
I guess I do not want to use the simple past for a hypothetical situation.
– GEdgar
Mar 26 at 20:01
Regarding the first one, wouldn't it be better to say: 'If Mark didn't include his own name, we would have no idea." ?
– Jun Dalisay
Mar 26 at 19:29
Regarding the first one, wouldn't it be better to say: 'If Mark didn't include his own name, we would have no idea." ?
– Jun Dalisay
Mar 26 at 19:29
I guess I do not want to use the simple past for a hypothetical situation.
– GEdgar
Mar 26 at 20:01
I guess I do not want to use the simple past for a hypothetical situation.
– GEdgar
Mar 26 at 20:01
add a comment |
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This is the correct answer because it is the third conditional sentence - If mark had not included his name in the message, he would not have had no idea who was behind it. We make the third conditional by using the past perfect after 'if' and then 'would have' and the past participle in the second part of the sentence:
if + past perfect, ...would + have + past participle
https://www.perfect-english-grammar.com/third-conditional.html
answered Sep 24 at 19:05
Beqa
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This is the correct answer because it is the third conditional sentence - If mark had not included his name in the message, he would not have had no idea who was behind it. We make the third conditional by using the past perfect after 'if' and then 'would have' and the past participle in the second part of the sentence:
if + past perfect, ...would + have + past participle
https://www.perfect-english-grammar.com/third-conditional.html
answered Sep 24 at 19:05
Beqa
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This is the correct answer because it is the third conditional sentence - If mark had not included his name in the message, he would not have had no idea who was behind it. We make the third conditional by using the past perfect after 'if' and then 'would have' and the past participle in the second part of the sentence:
if + past perfect, ...would + have + past participle
https://www.perfect-english-grammar.com/third-conditional.html
answered Sep 24 at 19:05
Beqa
581314
This is the correct answer because it is the third conditional sentence - If mark had not included his name in the message, he would not have had no idea who was behind it. We make the third conditional by using the past perfect after 'if' and then 'would have' and the past participle in the second part of the sentence:
if + past perfect, ...would + have + past participle
https://www.perfect-english-grammar.com/third-conditional.html
answered Sep 24 at 19:05
Beqa
581314
answered Sep 24 at 19:05
Beqa
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answered Sep 24 at 19:05
Beqa
581314
answered Sep 24 at 19:05
Beqa
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The latter of the two is correct. The importance of saying "we would have had..." is that it maintains the same tense throughout the sentence.
answered Mar 26 at 16:10
Nico
1
Tenses exist to show that everything didn't happen at the same time. If you insist on using the same tense throughout, you defeat the whole purpose of tenses.
– Peter Shor
May 26 at 17:23
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up vote
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The latter of the two is correct. The importance of saying "we would have had..." is that it maintains the same tense throughout the sentence.
answered Mar 26 at 16:10
Nico
1
Tenses exist to show that everything didn't happen at the same time. If you insist on using the same tense throughout, you defeat the whole purpose of tenses.
– Peter Shor
May 26 at 17:23
add a comment |
up vote
-2
down vote
up vote
-2
down vote
The latter of the two is correct. The importance of saying "we would have had..." is that it maintains the same tense throughout the sentence.
answered Mar 26 at 16:10
Nico
1
The latter of the two is correct. The importance of saying "we would have had..." is that it maintains the same tense throughout the sentence.
answered Mar 26 at 16:10
Nico
1
answered Mar 26 at 16:10
Nico
1
answered Mar 26 at 16:10
Nico
1
answered Mar 26 at 16:10
Nico
1
1
Tenses exist to show that everything didn't happen at the same time. If you insist on using the same tense throughout, you defeat the whole purpose of tenses.
– Peter Shor
May 26 at 17:23
add a comment |
Tenses exist to show that everything didn't happen at the same time. If you insist on using the same tense throughout, you defeat the whole purpose of tenses.
– Peter Shor
May 26 at 17:23
Tenses exist to show that everything didn't happen at the same time. If you insist on using the same tense throughout, you defeat the whole purpose of tenses.
– Peter Shor
May 26 at 17:23
Tenses exist to show that everything didn't happen at the same time. If you insist on using the same tense throughout, you defeat the whole purpose of tenses.
– Peter Shor
May 26 at 17:23
add a comment |
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They're both correct, but with different meanings. 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would now have no idea who was behind it.' // 'If Mark had not included his own name in the message, we would have had no idea who was behind it, and would have been unable to award him the employee suggestion award that year.'
– Edwin Ashworth
Mar 26 at 20:15