Non-Coffee Espresso Powder subsitute
I see Espresso Powder frequently in chocolate-based baking recipes. I've done some searching here (and elsewhere online) for potential substitutes, but have only been able to find other coffee-based substitutions.
For religious reasons I would like to avoid coffee products. To clarify - caffeine is not the issue, but rather the coffee bean itself.
What are some effective substitutes for espresso powder in chocolate-based baking recipes (e.g. brownies) that do not contain the coffee bean?
baking substitutions
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I see Espresso Powder frequently in chocolate-based baking recipes. I've done some searching here (and elsewhere online) for potential substitutes, but have only been able to find other coffee-based substitutions.
For religious reasons I would like to avoid coffee products. To clarify - caffeine is not the issue, but rather the coffee bean itself.
What are some effective substitutes for espresso powder in chocolate-based baking recipes (e.g. brownies) that do not contain the coffee bean?
baking substitutions
2
That link does not seem to explain anything about coffee. Unless it's an actual link to a statement about this church avoiding coffee, I think the question would be better without it.
– Jasper
Dec 13 at 15:25
1
@Jasper if you click "Read more" right after the first paragraph, it does mention coffee as well as a few other things.
– Dacromir
Dec 13 at 16:55
Ah yes, I missed that.
– Jasper
Dec 13 at 17:38
1
I followed the link, but I'm none the wiser
– Strawberry
Dec 13 at 17:52
add a comment |
I see Espresso Powder frequently in chocolate-based baking recipes. I've done some searching here (and elsewhere online) for potential substitutes, but have only been able to find other coffee-based substitutions.
For religious reasons I would like to avoid coffee products. To clarify - caffeine is not the issue, but rather the coffee bean itself.
What are some effective substitutes for espresso powder in chocolate-based baking recipes (e.g. brownies) that do not contain the coffee bean?
baking substitutions
I see Espresso Powder frequently in chocolate-based baking recipes. I've done some searching here (and elsewhere online) for potential substitutes, but have only been able to find other coffee-based substitutions.
For religious reasons I would like to avoid coffee products. To clarify - caffeine is not the issue, but rather the coffee bean itself.
What are some effective substitutes for espresso powder in chocolate-based baking recipes (e.g. brownies) that do not contain the coffee bean?
baking substitutions
baking substitutions
asked Dec 13 at 8:35
Dacromir
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2
That link does not seem to explain anything about coffee. Unless it's an actual link to a statement about this church avoiding coffee, I think the question would be better without it.
– Jasper
Dec 13 at 15:25
1
@Jasper if you click "Read more" right after the first paragraph, it does mention coffee as well as a few other things.
– Dacromir
Dec 13 at 16:55
Ah yes, I missed that.
– Jasper
Dec 13 at 17:38
1
I followed the link, but I'm none the wiser
– Strawberry
Dec 13 at 17:52
add a comment |
2
That link does not seem to explain anything about coffee. Unless it's an actual link to a statement about this church avoiding coffee, I think the question would be better without it.
– Jasper
Dec 13 at 15:25
1
@Jasper if you click "Read more" right after the first paragraph, it does mention coffee as well as a few other things.
– Dacromir
Dec 13 at 16:55
Ah yes, I missed that.
– Jasper
Dec 13 at 17:38
1
I followed the link, but I'm none the wiser
– Strawberry
Dec 13 at 17:52
2
2
That link does not seem to explain anything about coffee. Unless it's an actual link to a statement about this church avoiding coffee, I think the question would be better without it.
– Jasper
Dec 13 at 15:25
That link does not seem to explain anything about coffee. Unless it's an actual link to a statement about this church avoiding coffee, I think the question would be better without it.
– Jasper
Dec 13 at 15:25
1
1
@Jasper if you click "Read more" right after the first paragraph, it does mention coffee as well as a few other things.
– Dacromir
Dec 13 at 16:55
@Jasper if you click "Read more" right after the first paragraph, it does mention coffee as well as a few other things.
– Dacromir
Dec 13 at 16:55
Ah yes, I missed that.
– Jasper
Dec 13 at 17:38
Ah yes, I missed that.
– Jasper
Dec 13 at 17:38
1
1
I followed the link, but I'm none the wiser
– Strawberry
Dec 13 at 17:52
I followed the link, but I'm none the wiser
– Strawberry
Dec 13 at 17:52
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You can pretty much substitute coffee with roasted grain coffee-like powder of any brand you like. It works as a drop-in replacement in drinks and foods really well. After all, coffee is just a roasted grain, too.
If you need instant coffee, one that dissolve in water or baked goods, I know for a fact that Inka brand makes instant roasted grain "coffee" that can be used as substitute. I don't know about other brands quality, but you can try ones found on Amazon.
I personally prefer ones with sugar beet and chicory, some brands also use dandelion. Additions are there to emulate coffee better, to make taste more rich and complicated. Basically, if it tastes good and is bitterish enough, it'll work.
I'm not affiliated with linked sellers. It is just an example.
1
I wouldn't expect the original recipes to use ground coffee, it is more likely that "espresso powder" means instant espresso here, which would dissolve in baked goods. The coffee substitutes you suggest will never dissolve, and I don't think there are instant varieties of them.
– rumtscho♦
Dec 13 at 10:15
@rumtscho Inka instant roasted grain drink will dissolve all right.
– Mołot
Dec 13 at 10:20
Oh, I have seen the brand, but wasn't aware what it is. Good point. With that, I find the answer good enough to upvote it.
– rumtscho♦
Dec 13 at 13:13
1
"Postum" coffee substitute (if it still exists) also dissolves well. I think many of these brands do.
– Lorel C.
Dec 13 at 15:09
@LorelC. Nice to know. Inka is the only one I've tried, but it isn't surprising other brands are making instant drinks as well. Choice is good for us, consumers :D
– Mołot
Dec 13 at 15:14
add a comment |
If it's primarily a chocolate recipe the coffee is there to add flavour. You may be able to simply omit it. I would generally replace it with the same quantitity of (unsweetened) cocoa powder as otherwise the recipe may be a little too sweet.
If you find the overall recipe lacking in flavour after that, try more cocoa or adding a tiny bit of a compatible flavour, for a different but still good effect. One thing that works well with chocolate is vanilla, another is ginger (though too much and it will dominate - good, but not what you asked for). If the espresso powder is dissolved in liquid before adding, you can use liquid extracts to replace some of the liquid (but be careful what you buy if you also avoid alcohol as many who avoid coffee do). This gives you slightly more choice, as you can use a little almond extract, or even mint, or replace the liquid with orange juice. Of the flavours I mentioned, the almond and the vanilla would be best for just adding a subtle bit more flavour, while the others are conventionally used with chocolate in some recipes and ould go well, though change the end result.
If the recipe is a mocha recipe, or there's a lot of coffee in there, I suggest looking for a similar recipe with no or less coffee. This is always an option.
1
You can definitely just omit coffee from chocolate-based recipes. I don't like the taste of coffee and frequently do this. If it's 2 tablespoons or less, I just leave it out. If it's more than that, I'll try to find another recipe that doesn't use coffee, or might replace it with cocoa powder. Most recipes I have just use a small amount of espresso powder, and none has ever suffered from just leaving it out.
– Guildenstern
Dec 13 at 20:59
1
+1 for suggesting to just leave it out, -100 for suggesting substituting it with mint. :/
– Marti
Dec 13 at 21:11
Not a fan @Marti? I can't tempt you with mint chocolate brownies?
– Chris H
Dec 13 at 21:18
@ChrisH: what a horrible thing to do to poor innocent brownies. //shudder
– Marti
Dec 13 at 22:30
add a comment |
Artificial coffee flavour seems like the right solution for your problem.
add a comment |
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You can pretty much substitute coffee with roasted grain coffee-like powder of any brand you like. It works as a drop-in replacement in drinks and foods really well. After all, coffee is just a roasted grain, too.
If you need instant coffee, one that dissolve in water or baked goods, I know for a fact that Inka brand makes instant roasted grain "coffee" that can be used as substitute. I don't know about other brands quality, but you can try ones found on Amazon.
I personally prefer ones with sugar beet and chicory, some brands also use dandelion. Additions are there to emulate coffee better, to make taste more rich and complicated. Basically, if it tastes good and is bitterish enough, it'll work.
I'm not affiliated with linked sellers. It is just an example.
1
I wouldn't expect the original recipes to use ground coffee, it is more likely that "espresso powder" means instant espresso here, which would dissolve in baked goods. The coffee substitutes you suggest will never dissolve, and I don't think there are instant varieties of them.
– rumtscho♦
Dec 13 at 10:15
@rumtscho Inka instant roasted grain drink will dissolve all right.
– Mołot
Dec 13 at 10:20
Oh, I have seen the brand, but wasn't aware what it is. Good point. With that, I find the answer good enough to upvote it.
– rumtscho♦
Dec 13 at 13:13
1
"Postum" coffee substitute (if it still exists) also dissolves well. I think many of these brands do.
– Lorel C.
Dec 13 at 15:09
@LorelC. Nice to know. Inka is the only one I've tried, but it isn't surprising other brands are making instant drinks as well. Choice is good for us, consumers :D
– Mołot
Dec 13 at 15:14
add a comment |
You can pretty much substitute coffee with roasted grain coffee-like powder of any brand you like. It works as a drop-in replacement in drinks and foods really well. After all, coffee is just a roasted grain, too.
If you need instant coffee, one that dissolve in water or baked goods, I know for a fact that Inka brand makes instant roasted grain "coffee" that can be used as substitute. I don't know about other brands quality, but you can try ones found on Amazon.
I personally prefer ones with sugar beet and chicory, some brands also use dandelion. Additions are there to emulate coffee better, to make taste more rich and complicated. Basically, if it tastes good and is bitterish enough, it'll work.
I'm not affiliated with linked sellers. It is just an example.
1
I wouldn't expect the original recipes to use ground coffee, it is more likely that "espresso powder" means instant espresso here, which would dissolve in baked goods. The coffee substitutes you suggest will never dissolve, and I don't think there are instant varieties of them.
– rumtscho♦
Dec 13 at 10:15
@rumtscho Inka instant roasted grain drink will dissolve all right.
– Mołot
Dec 13 at 10:20
Oh, I have seen the brand, but wasn't aware what it is. Good point. With that, I find the answer good enough to upvote it.
– rumtscho♦
Dec 13 at 13:13
1
"Postum" coffee substitute (if it still exists) also dissolves well. I think many of these brands do.
– Lorel C.
Dec 13 at 15:09
@LorelC. Nice to know. Inka is the only one I've tried, but it isn't surprising other brands are making instant drinks as well. Choice is good for us, consumers :D
– Mołot
Dec 13 at 15:14
add a comment |
You can pretty much substitute coffee with roasted grain coffee-like powder of any brand you like. It works as a drop-in replacement in drinks and foods really well. After all, coffee is just a roasted grain, too.
If you need instant coffee, one that dissolve in water or baked goods, I know for a fact that Inka brand makes instant roasted grain "coffee" that can be used as substitute. I don't know about other brands quality, but you can try ones found on Amazon.
I personally prefer ones with sugar beet and chicory, some brands also use dandelion. Additions are there to emulate coffee better, to make taste more rich and complicated. Basically, if it tastes good and is bitterish enough, it'll work.
I'm not affiliated with linked sellers. It is just an example.
You can pretty much substitute coffee with roasted grain coffee-like powder of any brand you like. It works as a drop-in replacement in drinks and foods really well. After all, coffee is just a roasted grain, too.
If you need instant coffee, one that dissolve in water or baked goods, I know for a fact that Inka brand makes instant roasted grain "coffee" that can be used as substitute. I don't know about other brands quality, but you can try ones found on Amazon.
I personally prefer ones with sugar beet and chicory, some brands also use dandelion. Additions are there to emulate coffee better, to make taste more rich and complicated. Basically, if it tastes good and is bitterish enough, it'll work.
I'm not affiliated with linked sellers. It is just an example.
edited Dec 13 at 10:25
answered Dec 13 at 10:06
Mołot
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I wouldn't expect the original recipes to use ground coffee, it is more likely that "espresso powder" means instant espresso here, which would dissolve in baked goods. The coffee substitutes you suggest will never dissolve, and I don't think there are instant varieties of them.
– rumtscho♦
Dec 13 at 10:15
@rumtscho Inka instant roasted grain drink will dissolve all right.
– Mołot
Dec 13 at 10:20
Oh, I have seen the brand, but wasn't aware what it is. Good point. With that, I find the answer good enough to upvote it.
– rumtscho♦
Dec 13 at 13:13
1
"Postum" coffee substitute (if it still exists) also dissolves well. I think many of these brands do.
– Lorel C.
Dec 13 at 15:09
@LorelC. Nice to know. Inka is the only one I've tried, but it isn't surprising other brands are making instant drinks as well. Choice is good for us, consumers :D
– Mołot
Dec 13 at 15:14
add a comment |
1
I wouldn't expect the original recipes to use ground coffee, it is more likely that "espresso powder" means instant espresso here, which would dissolve in baked goods. The coffee substitutes you suggest will never dissolve, and I don't think there are instant varieties of them.
– rumtscho♦
Dec 13 at 10:15
@rumtscho Inka instant roasted grain drink will dissolve all right.
– Mołot
Dec 13 at 10:20
Oh, I have seen the brand, but wasn't aware what it is. Good point. With that, I find the answer good enough to upvote it.
– rumtscho♦
Dec 13 at 13:13
1
"Postum" coffee substitute (if it still exists) also dissolves well. I think many of these brands do.
– Lorel C.
Dec 13 at 15:09
@LorelC. Nice to know. Inka is the only one I've tried, but it isn't surprising other brands are making instant drinks as well. Choice is good for us, consumers :D
– Mołot
Dec 13 at 15:14
1
1
I wouldn't expect the original recipes to use ground coffee, it is more likely that "espresso powder" means instant espresso here, which would dissolve in baked goods. The coffee substitutes you suggest will never dissolve, and I don't think there are instant varieties of them.
– rumtscho♦
Dec 13 at 10:15
I wouldn't expect the original recipes to use ground coffee, it is more likely that "espresso powder" means instant espresso here, which would dissolve in baked goods. The coffee substitutes you suggest will never dissolve, and I don't think there are instant varieties of them.
– rumtscho♦
Dec 13 at 10:15
@rumtscho Inka instant roasted grain drink will dissolve all right.
– Mołot
Dec 13 at 10:20
@rumtscho Inka instant roasted grain drink will dissolve all right.
– Mołot
Dec 13 at 10:20
Oh, I have seen the brand, but wasn't aware what it is. Good point. With that, I find the answer good enough to upvote it.
– rumtscho♦
Dec 13 at 13:13
Oh, I have seen the brand, but wasn't aware what it is. Good point. With that, I find the answer good enough to upvote it.
– rumtscho♦
Dec 13 at 13:13
1
1
"Postum" coffee substitute (if it still exists) also dissolves well. I think many of these brands do.
– Lorel C.
Dec 13 at 15:09
"Postum" coffee substitute (if it still exists) also dissolves well. I think many of these brands do.
– Lorel C.
Dec 13 at 15:09
@LorelC. Nice to know. Inka is the only one I've tried, but it isn't surprising other brands are making instant drinks as well. Choice is good for us, consumers :D
– Mołot
Dec 13 at 15:14
@LorelC. Nice to know. Inka is the only one I've tried, but it isn't surprising other brands are making instant drinks as well. Choice is good for us, consumers :D
– Mołot
Dec 13 at 15:14
add a comment |
If it's primarily a chocolate recipe the coffee is there to add flavour. You may be able to simply omit it. I would generally replace it with the same quantitity of (unsweetened) cocoa powder as otherwise the recipe may be a little too sweet.
If you find the overall recipe lacking in flavour after that, try more cocoa or adding a tiny bit of a compatible flavour, for a different but still good effect. One thing that works well with chocolate is vanilla, another is ginger (though too much and it will dominate - good, but not what you asked for). If the espresso powder is dissolved in liquid before adding, you can use liquid extracts to replace some of the liquid (but be careful what you buy if you also avoid alcohol as many who avoid coffee do). This gives you slightly more choice, as you can use a little almond extract, or even mint, or replace the liquid with orange juice. Of the flavours I mentioned, the almond and the vanilla would be best for just adding a subtle bit more flavour, while the others are conventionally used with chocolate in some recipes and ould go well, though change the end result.
If the recipe is a mocha recipe, or there's a lot of coffee in there, I suggest looking for a similar recipe with no or less coffee. This is always an option.
1
You can definitely just omit coffee from chocolate-based recipes. I don't like the taste of coffee and frequently do this. If it's 2 tablespoons or less, I just leave it out. If it's more than that, I'll try to find another recipe that doesn't use coffee, or might replace it with cocoa powder. Most recipes I have just use a small amount of espresso powder, and none has ever suffered from just leaving it out.
– Guildenstern
Dec 13 at 20:59
1
+1 for suggesting to just leave it out, -100 for suggesting substituting it with mint. :/
– Marti
Dec 13 at 21:11
Not a fan @Marti? I can't tempt you with mint chocolate brownies?
– Chris H
Dec 13 at 21:18
@ChrisH: what a horrible thing to do to poor innocent brownies. //shudder
– Marti
Dec 13 at 22:30
add a comment |
If it's primarily a chocolate recipe the coffee is there to add flavour. You may be able to simply omit it. I would generally replace it with the same quantitity of (unsweetened) cocoa powder as otherwise the recipe may be a little too sweet.
If you find the overall recipe lacking in flavour after that, try more cocoa or adding a tiny bit of a compatible flavour, for a different but still good effect. One thing that works well with chocolate is vanilla, another is ginger (though too much and it will dominate - good, but not what you asked for). If the espresso powder is dissolved in liquid before adding, you can use liquid extracts to replace some of the liquid (but be careful what you buy if you also avoid alcohol as many who avoid coffee do). This gives you slightly more choice, as you can use a little almond extract, or even mint, or replace the liquid with orange juice. Of the flavours I mentioned, the almond and the vanilla would be best for just adding a subtle bit more flavour, while the others are conventionally used with chocolate in some recipes and ould go well, though change the end result.
If the recipe is a mocha recipe, or there's a lot of coffee in there, I suggest looking for a similar recipe with no or less coffee. This is always an option.
1
You can definitely just omit coffee from chocolate-based recipes. I don't like the taste of coffee and frequently do this. If it's 2 tablespoons or less, I just leave it out. If it's more than that, I'll try to find another recipe that doesn't use coffee, or might replace it with cocoa powder. Most recipes I have just use a small amount of espresso powder, and none has ever suffered from just leaving it out.
– Guildenstern
Dec 13 at 20:59
1
+1 for suggesting to just leave it out, -100 for suggesting substituting it with mint. :/
– Marti
Dec 13 at 21:11
Not a fan @Marti? I can't tempt you with mint chocolate brownies?
– Chris H
Dec 13 at 21:18
@ChrisH: what a horrible thing to do to poor innocent brownies. //shudder
– Marti
Dec 13 at 22:30
add a comment |
If it's primarily a chocolate recipe the coffee is there to add flavour. You may be able to simply omit it. I would generally replace it with the same quantitity of (unsweetened) cocoa powder as otherwise the recipe may be a little too sweet.
If you find the overall recipe lacking in flavour after that, try more cocoa or adding a tiny bit of a compatible flavour, for a different but still good effect. One thing that works well with chocolate is vanilla, another is ginger (though too much and it will dominate - good, but not what you asked for). If the espresso powder is dissolved in liquid before adding, you can use liquid extracts to replace some of the liquid (but be careful what you buy if you also avoid alcohol as many who avoid coffee do). This gives you slightly more choice, as you can use a little almond extract, or even mint, or replace the liquid with orange juice. Of the flavours I mentioned, the almond and the vanilla would be best for just adding a subtle bit more flavour, while the others are conventionally used with chocolate in some recipes and ould go well, though change the end result.
If the recipe is a mocha recipe, or there's a lot of coffee in there, I suggest looking for a similar recipe with no or less coffee. This is always an option.
If it's primarily a chocolate recipe the coffee is there to add flavour. You may be able to simply omit it. I would generally replace it with the same quantitity of (unsweetened) cocoa powder as otherwise the recipe may be a little too sweet.
If you find the overall recipe lacking in flavour after that, try more cocoa or adding a tiny bit of a compatible flavour, for a different but still good effect. One thing that works well with chocolate is vanilla, another is ginger (though too much and it will dominate - good, but not what you asked for). If the espresso powder is dissolved in liquid before adding, you can use liquid extracts to replace some of the liquid (but be careful what you buy if you also avoid alcohol as many who avoid coffee do). This gives you slightly more choice, as you can use a little almond extract, or even mint, or replace the liquid with orange juice. Of the flavours I mentioned, the almond and the vanilla would be best for just adding a subtle bit more flavour, while the others are conventionally used with chocolate in some recipes and ould go well, though change the end result.
If the recipe is a mocha recipe, or there's a lot of coffee in there, I suggest looking for a similar recipe with no or less coffee. This is always an option.
edited Dec 18 at 16:56
answered Dec 13 at 9:01
Chris H
18.4k13553
18.4k13553
1
You can definitely just omit coffee from chocolate-based recipes. I don't like the taste of coffee and frequently do this. If it's 2 tablespoons or less, I just leave it out. If it's more than that, I'll try to find another recipe that doesn't use coffee, or might replace it with cocoa powder. Most recipes I have just use a small amount of espresso powder, and none has ever suffered from just leaving it out.
– Guildenstern
Dec 13 at 20:59
1
+1 for suggesting to just leave it out, -100 for suggesting substituting it with mint. :/
– Marti
Dec 13 at 21:11
Not a fan @Marti? I can't tempt you with mint chocolate brownies?
– Chris H
Dec 13 at 21:18
@ChrisH: what a horrible thing to do to poor innocent brownies. //shudder
– Marti
Dec 13 at 22:30
add a comment |
1
You can definitely just omit coffee from chocolate-based recipes. I don't like the taste of coffee and frequently do this. If it's 2 tablespoons or less, I just leave it out. If it's more than that, I'll try to find another recipe that doesn't use coffee, or might replace it with cocoa powder. Most recipes I have just use a small amount of espresso powder, and none has ever suffered from just leaving it out.
– Guildenstern
Dec 13 at 20:59
1
+1 for suggesting to just leave it out, -100 for suggesting substituting it with mint. :/
– Marti
Dec 13 at 21:11
Not a fan @Marti? I can't tempt you with mint chocolate brownies?
– Chris H
Dec 13 at 21:18
@ChrisH: what a horrible thing to do to poor innocent brownies. //shudder
– Marti
Dec 13 at 22:30
1
1
You can definitely just omit coffee from chocolate-based recipes. I don't like the taste of coffee and frequently do this. If it's 2 tablespoons or less, I just leave it out. If it's more than that, I'll try to find another recipe that doesn't use coffee, or might replace it with cocoa powder. Most recipes I have just use a small amount of espresso powder, and none has ever suffered from just leaving it out.
– Guildenstern
Dec 13 at 20:59
You can definitely just omit coffee from chocolate-based recipes. I don't like the taste of coffee and frequently do this. If it's 2 tablespoons or less, I just leave it out. If it's more than that, I'll try to find another recipe that doesn't use coffee, or might replace it with cocoa powder. Most recipes I have just use a small amount of espresso powder, and none has ever suffered from just leaving it out.
– Guildenstern
Dec 13 at 20:59
1
1
+1 for suggesting to just leave it out, -100 for suggesting substituting it with mint. :/
– Marti
Dec 13 at 21:11
+1 for suggesting to just leave it out, -100 for suggesting substituting it with mint. :/
– Marti
Dec 13 at 21:11
Not a fan @Marti? I can't tempt you with mint chocolate brownies?
– Chris H
Dec 13 at 21:18
Not a fan @Marti? I can't tempt you with mint chocolate brownies?
– Chris H
Dec 13 at 21:18
@ChrisH: what a horrible thing to do to poor innocent brownies. //shudder
– Marti
Dec 13 at 22:30
@ChrisH: what a horrible thing to do to poor innocent brownies. //shudder
– Marti
Dec 13 at 22:30
add a comment |
Artificial coffee flavour seems like the right solution for your problem.
add a comment |
Artificial coffee flavour seems like the right solution for your problem.
add a comment |
Artificial coffee flavour seems like the right solution for your problem.
Artificial coffee flavour seems like the right solution for your problem.
answered Dec 18 at 20:07
Enivid
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That link does not seem to explain anything about coffee. Unless it's an actual link to a statement about this church avoiding coffee, I think the question would be better without it.
– Jasper
Dec 13 at 15:25
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@Jasper if you click "Read more" right after the first paragraph, it does mention coffee as well as a few other things.
– Dacromir
Dec 13 at 16:55
Ah yes, I missed that.
– Jasper
Dec 13 at 17:38
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I followed the link, but I'm none the wiser
– Strawberry
Dec 13 at 17:52