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$A =begin{vmatrix}a^2 & b^2 & c^2 & d^2\ (a-1)^2 & (b-1)^2 & (c-1)^2 & (d-1)^2 \ (a-2)^2 & (b-2)^2 & (c-2)^2 & (d-2)^2\ (a-3)^2 & (b-3)^2 & (c-3)^2 & (d-3)^2end{vmatrix}$



I have been trying to solve this determinant for a while now and haven't gotten very far.



I have been using row reduction to try and create a lower triangle but keep getting caught up with the amount of ugly multiplication involved and cant seem to find an easier way.



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    To gain intuition on problems like these, you could always plug in values for $a, b, c, d$ and see what happens. You would have quickly come to the conjecture that the determinant is always zero, after which you could have concentrated on proving that.
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  • Comment here mentions that this determinant appears as an exercise in Golan's book (and probably in many other places): What will be the value of the following determinant without expanding it?
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$A =begin{vmatrix}a^2 & b^2 & c^2 & d^2\ (a-1)^2 & (b-1)^2 & (c-1)^2 & (d-1)^2 \ (a-2)^2 & (b-2)^2 & (c-2)^2 & (d-2)^2\ (a-3)^2 & (b-3)^2 & (c-3)^2 & (d-3)^2end{vmatrix}$



I have been trying to solve this determinant for a while now and haven't gotten very far.



I have been using row reduction to try and create a lower triangle but keep getting caught up with the amount of ugly multiplication involved and cant seem to find an easier way.



Any help with this question would be much appreciated.










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    To gain intuition on problems like these, you could always plug in values for $a, b, c, d$ and see what happens. You would have quickly come to the conjecture that the determinant is always zero, after which you could have concentrated on proving that.
    – John Coleman
    Dec 10 at 12:39










  • Comment here mentions that this determinant appears as an exercise in Golan's book (and probably in many other places): What will be the value of the following determinant without expanding it?
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    Dec 10 at 17:06














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$A =begin{vmatrix}a^2 & b^2 & c^2 & d^2\ (a-1)^2 & (b-1)^2 & (c-1)^2 & (d-1)^2 \ (a-2)^2 & (b-2)^2 & (c-2)^2 & (d-2)^2\ (a-3)^2 & (b-3)^2 & (c-3)^2 & (d-3)^2end{vmatrix}$



I have been trying to solve this determinant for a while now and haven't gotten very far.



I have been using row reduction to try and create a lower triangle but keep getting caught up with the amount of ugly multiplication involved and cant seem to find an easier way.



Any help with this question would be much appreciated.










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$A =begin{vmatrix}a^2 & b^2 & c^2 & d^2\ (a-1)^2 & (b-1)^2 & (c-1)^2 & (d-1)^2 \ (a-2)^2 & (b-2)^2 & (c-2)^2 & (d-2)^2\ (a-3)^2 & (b-3)^2 & (c-3)^2 & (d-3)^2end{vmatrix}$



I have been trying to solve this determinant for a while now and haven't gotten very far.



I have been using row reduction to try and create a lower triangle but keep getting caught up with the amount of ugly multiplication involved and cant seem to find an easier way.



Any help with this question would be much appreciated.





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    To gain intuition on problems like these, you could always plug in values for $a, b, c, d$ and see what happens. You would have quickly come to the conjecture that the determinant is always zero, after which you could have concentrated on proving that.
    – John Coleman
    Dec 10 at 12:39










  • Comment here mentions that this determinant appears as an exercise in Golan's book (and probably in many other places): What will be the value of the following determinant without expanding it?
    – Martin Sleziak
    Dec 10 at 17:06














  • 2




    To gain intuition on problems like these, you could always plug in values for $a, b, c, d$ and see what happens. You would have quickly come to the conjecture that the determinant is always zero, after which you could have concentrated on proving that.
    – John Coleman
    Dec 10 at 12:39










  • Comment here mentions that this determinant appears as an exercise in Golan's book (and probably in many other places): What will be the value of the following determinant without expanding it?
    – Martin Sleziak
    Dec 10 at 17:06








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To gain intuition on problems like these, you could always plug in values for $a, b, c, d$ and see what happens. You would have quickly come to the conjecture that the determinant is always zero, after which you could have concentrated on proving that.
– John Coleman
Dec 10 at 12:39




To gain intuition on problems like these, you could always plug in values for $a, b, c, d$ and see what happens. You would have quickly come to the conjecture that the determinant is always zero, after which you could have concentrated on proving that.
– John Coleman
Dec 10 at 12:39












Comment here mentions that this determinant appears as an exercise in Golan's book (and probably in many other places): What will be the value of the following determinant without expanding it?
– Martin Sleziak
Dec 10 at 17:06




Comment here mentions that this determinant appears as an exercise in Golan's book (and probably in many other places): What will be the value of the following determinant without expanding it?
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Use row transformations in the following manner:



$R_1to R_1-R_2\R_2to R_2-R_3\R_3to R_3-R_4$



$=begin{vmatrix}2a-1 & 2b-1 & 2c-1 & 2d-1\ 2a-3 & 2b-3 & 2c-3 & 2d-3 \ 2a-5 & 2b-5 & 2c-5 & 2d-5\ (a-3)^2 & (b-3)^2 & (c-3)^2 & (d-3)^2end{vmatrix}$



$R_1to R_1-R_2\R_2to R_2-R_3$



$=begin{vmatrix}2 & 2 & 2 & 2\ 2 & 2 & 2 & 2 \ 2a-5 & 2b-5 & 2c-5 & 2d-5\ (a-3)^2 & (b-3)^2 & (c-3)^2 & (d-3)^2end{vmatrix}$



Determinant having identical rows evaluates to $0$. You could go an extra mile and perform $R_1to R_1-R_2$ to see why this is true.






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    @Shubham Johri : There is a simple proof that this determinant, or more precisely its transpose, is zero.



    Let us consider the following matrix-vector product :



    $$begin{bmatrix}
    a^2 & (a-1)^2 & (a-2)^2 & (a-3)^2\
    b^2 & (b-1)^2 & (b-2)^2 & (b-3)^2\
    c^2 & (c-1)^2 & (c-2)^2 & (c-3)^2\
    d^2 & (d-1)^2 & (d-2)^2 & (d-3)^2
    end{bmatrix}
    begin{bmatrix}
    -1\ 3\-3\ 1
    end{bmatrix}=begin{bmatrix}
    0\0\0\0
    end{bmatrix}.$$

    Thus this matrix has a non-zero kernel ; therefore its determinant is equal to $0$.



    Remark : it wasn't necessary to explicitate the vector with coordinates $-1,3,-3,1$ (have you noticed that it uses binomial coefficients ?) ; we could simply have said that such a vector with $p,q,r,s$ coordinates exist because in the 3-dimensional vector space $mathbb{R}[X]_{deg leq 2}$, any set of more than 3 vectors is necessarily linked by a zero linear combination :



    $$p X^2 + q (X-1)^2 + r (X-2)^2 + s (X-3)^2 = 0.$$






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    Use row transformations in the following manner:



    $R_1to R_1-R_2\R_2to R_2-R_3\R_3to R_3-R_4$



    $=begin{vmatrix}2a-1 & 2b-1 & 2c-1 & 2d-1\ 2a-3 & 2b-3 & 2c-3 & 2d-3 \ 2a-5 & 2b-5 & 2c-5 & 2d-5\ (a-3)^2 & (b-3)^2 & (c-3)^2 & (d-3)^2end{vmatrix}$



    $R_1to R_1-R_2\R_2to R_2-R_3$



    $=begin{vmatrix}2 & 2 & 2 & 2\ 2 & 2 & 2 & 2 \ 2a-5 & 2b-5 & 2c-5 & 2d-5\ (a-3)^2 & (b-3)^2 & (c-3)^2 & (d-3)^2end{vmatrix}$



    Determinant having identical rows evaluates to $0$. You could go an extra mile and perform $R_1to R_1-R_2$ to see why this is true.






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      Use row transformations in the following manner:



      $R_1to R_1-R_2\R_2to R_2-R_3\R_3to R_3-R_4$



      $=begin{vmatrix}2a-1 & 2b-1 & 2c-1 & 2d-1\ 2a-3 & 2b-3 & 2c-3 & 2d-3 \ 2a-5 & 2b-5 & 2c-5 & 2d-5\ (a-3)^2 & (b-3)^2 & (c-3)^2 & (d-3)^2end{vmatrix}$



      $R_1to R_1-R_2\R_2to R_2-R_3$



      $=begin{vmatrix}2 & 2 & 2 & 2\ 2 & 2 & 2 & 2 \ 2a-5 & 2b-5 & 2c-5 & 2d-5\ (a-3)^2 & (b-3)^2 & (c-3)^2 & (d-3)^2end{vmatrix}$



      Determinant having identical rows evaluates to $0$. You could go an extra mile and perform $R_1to R_1-R_2$ to see why this is true.






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        Use row transformations in the following manner:



        $R_1to R_1-R_2\R_2to R_2-R_3\R_3to R_3-R_4$



        $=begin{vmatrix}2a-1 & 2b-1 & 2c-1 & 2d-1\ 2a-3 & 2b-3 & 2c-3 & 2d-3 \ 2a-5 & 2b-5 & 2c-5 & 2d-5\ (a-3)^2 & (b-3)^2 & (c-3)^2 & (d-3)^2end{vmatrix}$



        $R_1to R_1-R_2\R_2to R_2-R_3$



        $=begin{vmatrix}2 & 2 & 2 & 2\ 2 & 2 & 2 & 2 \ 2a-5 & 2b-5 & 2c-5 & 2d-5\ (a-3)^2 & (b-3)^2 & (c-3)^2 & (d-3)^2end{vmatrix}$



        Determinant having identical rows evaluates to $0$. You could go an extra mile and perform $R_1to R_1-R_2$ to see why this is true.






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        Use row transformations in the following manner:



        $R_1to R_1-R_2\R_2to R_2-R_3\R_3to R_3-R_4$



        $=begin{vmatrix}2a-1 & 2b-1 & 2c-1 & 2d-1\ 2a-3 & 2b-3 & 2c-3 & 2d-3 \ 2a-5 & 2b-5 & 2c-5 & 2d-5\ (a-3)^2 & (b-3)^2 & (c-3)^2 & (d-3)^2end{vmatrix}$



        $R_1to R_1-R_2\R_2to R_2-R_3$



        $=begin{vmatrix}2 & 2 & 2 & 2\ 2 & 2 & 2 & 2 \ 2a-5 & 2b-5 & 2c-5 & 2d-5\ (a-3)^2 & (b-3)^2 & (c-3)^2 & (d-3)^2end{vmatrix}$



        Determinant having identical rows evaluates to $0$. You could go an extra mile and perform $R_1to R_1-R_2$ to see why this is true.







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            @Shubham Johri : There is a simple proof that this determinant, or more precisely its transpose, is zero.



            Let us consider the following matrix-vector product :



            $$begin{bmatrix}
            a^2 & (a-1)^2 & (a-2)^2 & (a-3)^2\
            b^2 & (b-1)^2 & (b-2)^2 & (b-3)^2\
            c^2 & (c-1)^2 & (c-2)^2 & (c-3)^2\
            d^2 & (d-1)^2 & (d-2)^2 & (d-3)^2
            end{bmatrix}
            begin{bmatrix}
            -1\ 3\-3\ 1
            end{bmatrix}=begin{bmatrix}
            0\0\0\0
            end{bmatrix}.$$

            Thus this matrix has a non-zero kernel ; therefore its determinant is equal to $0$.



            Remark : it wasn't necessary to explicitate the vector with coordinates $-1,3,-3,1$ (have you noticed that it uses binomial coefficients ?) ; we could simply have said that such a vector with $p,q,r,s$ coordinates exist because in the 3-dimensional vector space $mathbb{R}[X]_{deg leq 2}$, any set of more than 3 vectors is necessarily linked by a zero linear combination :



            $$p X^2 + q (X-1)^2 + r (X-2)^2 + s (X-3)^2 = 0.$$






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            • That's a nice way to solve the question too
              – Shubham Johri
              Dec 10 at 8:48
















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            @Shubham Johri : There is a simple proof that this determinant, or more precisely its transpose, is zero.



            Let us consider the following matrix-vector product :



            $$begin{bmatrix}
            a^2 & (a-1)^2 & (a-2)^2 & (a-3)^2\
            b^2 & (b-1)^2 & (b-2)^2 & (b-3)^2\
            c^2 & (c-1)^2 & (c-2)^2 & (c-3)^2\
            d^2 & (d-1)^2 & (d-2)^2 & (d-3)^2
            end{bmatrix}
            begin{bmatrix}
            -1\ 3\-3\ 1
            end{bmatrix}=begin{bmatrix}
            0\0\0\0
            end{bmatrix}.$$

            Thus this matrix has a non-zero kernel ; therefore its determinant is equal to $0$.



            Remark : it wasn't necessary to explicitate the vector with coordinates $-1,3,-3,1$ (have you noticed that it uses binomial coefficients ?) ; we could simply have said that such a vector with $p,q,r,s$ coordinates exist because in the 3-dimensional vector space $mathbb{R}[X]_{deg leq 2}$, any set of more than 3 vectors is necessarily linked by a zero linear combination :



            $$p X^2 + q (X-1)^2 + r (X-2)^2 + s (X-3)^2 = 0.$$






            share|cite|improve this answer























            • That's a nice way to solve the question too
              – Shubham Johri
              Dec 10 at 8:48














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            @Shubham Johri : There is a simple proof that this determinant, or more precisely its transpose, is zero.



            Let us consider the following matrix-vector product :



            $$begin{bmatrix}
            a^2 & (a-1)^2 & (a-2)^2 & (a-3)^2\
            b^2 & (b-1)^2 & (b-2)^2 & (b-3)^2\
            c^2 & (c-1)^2 & (c-2)^2 & (c-3)^2\
            d^2 & (d-1)^2 & (d-2)^2 & (d-3)^2
            end{bmatrix}
            begin{bmatrix}
            -1\ 3\-3\ 1
            end{bmatrix}=begin{bmatrix}
            0\0\0\0
            end{bmatrix}.$$

            Thus this matrix has a non-zero kernel ; therefore its determinant is equal to $0$.



            Remark : it wasn't necessary to explicitate the vector with coordinates $-1,3,-3,1$ (have you noticed that it uses binomial coefficients ?) ; we could simply have said that such a vector with $p,q,r,s$ coordinates exist because in the 3-dimensional vector space $mathbb{R}[X]_{deg leq 2}$, any set of more than 3 vectors is necessarily linked by a zero linear combination :



            $$p X^2 + q (X-1)^2 + r (X-2)^2 + s (X-3)^2 = 0.$$






            share|cite|improve this answer














            @Shubham Johri : There is a simple proof that this determinant, or more precisely its transpose, is zero.



            Let us consider the following matrix-vector product :



            $$begin{bmatrix}
            a^2 & (a-1)^2 & (a-2)^2 & (a-3)^2\
            b^2 & (b-1)^2 & (b-2)^2 & (b-3)^2\
            c^2 & (c-1)^2 & (c-2)^2 & (c-3)^2\
            d^2 & (d-1)^2 & (d-2)^2 & (d-3)^2
            end{bmatrix}
            begin{bmatrix}
            -1\ 3\-3\ 1
            end{bmatrix}=begin{bmatrix}
            0\0\0\0
            end{bmatrix}.$$

            Thus this matrix has a non-zero kernel ; therefore its determinant is equal to $0$.



            Remark : it wasn't necessary to explicitate the vector with coordinates $-1,3,-3,1$ (have you noticed that it uses binomial coefficients ?) ; we could simply have said that such a vector with $p,q,r,s$ coordinates exist because in the 3-dimensional vector space $mathbb{R}[X]_{deg leq 2}$, any set of more than 3 vectors is necessarily linked by a zero linear combination :



            $$p X^2 + q (X-1)^2 + r (X-2)^2 + s (X-3)^2 = 0.$$







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            • That's a nice way to solve the question too
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            That's a nice way to solve the question too
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            Dec 10 at 8:48




            That's a nice way to solve the question too
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