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You mean the "modes" of the major scale.



Starting on the first note of the major scale the mode names are...




  • Ionian

  • Dorian

  • Phrygian

  • Lydian

  • Mixolydian

  • Aeolian

  • Locrian


With a scale of C major we can say something like the second mode of C major scale is the D Dorian mode.



As you described, you can get the modes of a major scale by permutating through it by moving up by steps. But another way to create modes is by adding sharps and flats to either a major or minor scale.



If you start with a C major scale and then add a flat on the ^7 tone to lower it, you will have the C Mixolydian mode. So, here is the list of modes again, with notes about those alterations.




  • Ionian (same as major scale)

  • Dorian (natural minor with a raised ^6 tone)

  • Phrygian (natural minor with a lowered ^2 tone)

  • Lydian (major with a raised ^4 tone)

  • Mixolydian (major with a lowered ^7 tone)

  • Aeolian (same as natural minor)

  • Locrian (natural minor with lowered ^2 and ^5 tones)


Whether you permutate the major scale or lower/raise tones you will see that the sequence of whole steps and half steps is the same for each mode. In other words the whole/half step sequence is the same for the D Dorian mode of the C major scale and the C Dorian mode.



As a side comment...



It's true when you move up 6 or down 3 from the first note of the major scale (the tonic) you go the relative minor, or the natural minor scale, but keep in mind there are three inflections of the minor scale...




  • natural minor

  • harmonic minor (where the ^7 tone is raised a half step)

  • melodic minor (where the ^6 and ^7 tones are raised by half step)






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    Or it could be said the melodic minor is the parallel major with a lowered third...But melodic has two incarnations - the classical, where ascending is different from descending, and jazz melodic, where it's the same up and down.
    – Tim
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  • @Tim, I was tempted to answer that way: melodic minor is major with a lowered third. If figured that is the jazz conception (esp. because jazz uses modes of mel. minor.) But, I really dislike the 'classical' textbook asc/desc distinction with melodic minor. It simply isn't true. Direction doesn't make the distinction, but the prevailing harmony. If the harmony is dominant and the scale descends, raised ^6 and ^7 may be used. I think I'll post my own question re. the historic origin of the textbook description. I don't know what it is.
    – Michael Curtis
    2 days ago










  • Unfortunately, the exam boards seem to have a different concept from ours! Harmonic is from the harmony angle, melodic is from the way the tune itself meanders, and fills that 3 semitone gap without the jarring the harmonic minor would produce.
    – Tim
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You mean the "modes" of the major scale.



Starting on the first note of the major scale the mode names are...




  • Ionian

  • Dorian

  • Phrygian

  • Lydian

  • Mixolydian

  • Aeolian

  • Locrian


With a scale of C major we can say something like the second mode of C major scale is the D Dorian mode.



As you described, you can get the modes of a major scale by permutating through it by moving up by steps. But another way to create modes is by adding sharps and flats to either a major or minor scale.



If you start with a C major scale and then add a flat on the ^7 tone to lower it, you will have the C Mixolydian mode. So, here is the list of modes again, with notes about those alterations.




  • Ionian (same as major scale)

  • Dorian (natural minor with a raised ^6 tone)

  • Phrygian (natural minor with a lowered ^2 tone)

  • Lydian (major with a raised ^4 tone)

  • Mixolydian (major with a lowered ^7 tone)

  • Aeolian (same as natural minor)

  • Locrian (natural minor with lowered ^2 and ^5 tones)


Whether you permutate the major scale or lower/raise tones you will see that the sequence of whole steps and half steps is the same for each mode. In other words the whole/half step sequence is the same for the D Dorian mode of the C major scale and the C Dorian mode.



As a side comment...



It's true when you move up 6 or down 3 from the first note of the major scale (the tonic) you go the relative minor, or the natural minor scale, but keep in mind there are three inflections of the minor scale...




  • natural minor

  • harmonic minor (where the ^7 tone is raised a half step)

  • melodic minor (where the ^6 and ^7 tones are raised by half step)






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    Or it could be said the melodic minor is the parallel major with a lowered third...But melodic has two incarnations - the classical, where ascending is different from descending, and jazz melodic, where it's the same up and down.
    – Tim
    2 days ago










  • @Tim, I was tempted to answer that way: melodic minor is major with a lowered third. If figured that is the jazz conception (esp. because jazz uses modes of mel. minor.) But, I really dislike the 'classical' textbook asc/desc distinction with melodic minor. It simply isn't true. Direction doesn't make the distinction, but the prevailing harmony. If the harmony is dominant and the scale descends, raised ^6 and ^7 may be used. I think I'll post my own question re. the historic origin of the textbook description. I don't know what it is.
    – Michael Curtis
    2 days ago










  • Unfortunately, the exam boards seem to have a different concept from ours! Harmonic is from the harmony angle, melodic is from the way the tune itself meanders, and fills that 3 semitone gap without the jarring the harmonic minor would produce.
    – Tim
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  • So says the teaching. Anyway, I posted a new question music.stackexchange.com/questions/77060
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You mean the "modes" of the major scale.



Starting on the first note of the major scale the mode names are...




  • Ionian

  • Dorian

  • Phrygian

  • Lydian

  • Mixolydian

  • Aeolian

  • Locrian


With a scale of C major we can say something like the second mode of C major scale is the D Dorian mode.



As you described, you can get the modes of a major scale by permutating through it by moving up by steps. But another way to create modes is by adding sharps and flats to either a major or minor scale.



If you start with a C major scale and then add a flat on the ^7 tone to lower it, you will have the C Mixolydian mode. So, here is the list of modes again, with notes about those alterations.




  • Ionian (same as major scale)

  • Dorian (natural minor with a raised ^6 tone)

  • Phrygian (natural minor with a lowered ^2 tone)

  • Lydian (major with a raised ^4 tone)

  • Mixolydian (major with a lowered ^7 tone)

  • Aeolian (same as natural minor)

  • Locrian (natural minor with lowered ^2 and ^5 tones)


Whether you permutate the major scale or lower/raise tones you will see that the sequence of whole steps and half steps is the same for each mode. In other words the whole/half step sequence is the same for the D Dorian mode of the C major scale and the C Dorian mode.



As a side comment...



It's true when you move up 6 or down 3 from the first note of the major scale (the tonic) you go the relative minor, or the natural minor scale, but keep in mind there are three inflections of the minor scale...




  • natural minor

  • harmonic minor (where the ^7 tone is raised a half step)

  • melodic minor (where the ^6 and ^7 tones are raised by half step)






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    Or it could be said the melodic minor is the parallel major with a lowered third...But melodic has two incarnations - the classical, where ascending is different from descending, and jazz melodic, where it's the same up and down.
    – Tim
    2 days ago










  • @Tim, I was tempted to answer that way: melodic minor is major with a lowered third. If figured that is the jazz conception (esp. because jazz uses modes of mel. minor.) But, I really dislike the 'classical' textbook asc/desc distinction with melodic minor. It simply isn't true. Direction doesn't make the distinction, but the prevailing harmony. If the harmony is dominant and the scale descends, raised ^6 and ^7 may be used. I think I'll post my own question re. the historic origin of the textbook description. I don't know what it is.
    – Michael Curtis
    2 days ago










  • Unfortunately, the exam boards seem to have a different concept from ours! Harmonic is from the harmony angle, melodic is from the way the tune itself meanders, and fills that 3 semitone gap without the jarring the harmonic minor would produce.
    – Tim
    2 days ago










  • So says the teaching. Anyway, I posted a new question music.stackexchange.com/questions/77060
    – Michael Curtis
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You mean the "modes" of the major scale.



Starting on the first note of the major scale the mode names are...




  • Ionian

  • Dorian

  • Phrygian

  • Lydian

  • Mixolydian

  • Aeolian

  • Locrian


With a scale of C major we can say something like the second mode of C major scale is the D Dorian mode.



As you described, you can get the modes of a major scale by permutating through it by moving up by steps. But another way to create modes is by adding sharps and flats to either a major or minor scale.



If you start with a C major scale and then add a flat on the ^7 tone to lower it, you will have the C Mixolydian mode. So, here is the list of modes again, with notes about those alterations.




  • Ionian (same as major scale)

  • Dorian (natural minor with a raised ^6 tone)

  • Phrygian (natural minor with a lowered ^2 tone)

  • Lydian (major with a raised ^4 tone)

  • Mixolydian (major with a lowered ^7 tone)

  • Aeolian (same as natural minor)

  • Locrian (natural minor with lowered ^2 and ^5 tones)


Whether you permutate the major scale or lower/raise tones you will see that the sequence of whole steps and half steps is the same for each mode. In other words the whole/half step sequence is the same for the D Dorian mode of the C major scale and the C Dorian mode.



As a side comment...



It's true when you move up 6 or down 3 from the first note of the major scale (the tonic) you go the relative minor, or the natural minor scale, but keep in mind there are three inflections of the minor scale...




  • natural minor

  • harmonic minor (where the ^7 tone is raised a half step)

  • melodic minor (where the ^6 and ^7 tones are raised by half step)






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You mean the "modes" of the major scale.



Starting on the first note of the major scale the mode names are...




  • Ionian

  • Dorian

  • Phrygian

  • Lydian

  • Mixolydian

  • Aeolian

  • Locrian


With a scale of C major we can say something like the second mode of C major scale is the D Dorian mode.



As you described, you can get the modes of a major scale by permutating through it by moving up by steps. But another way to create modes is by adding sharps and flats to either a major or minor scale.



If you start with a C major scale and then add a flat on the ^7 tone to lower it, you will have the C Mixolydian mode. So, here is the list of modes again, with notes about those alterations.




  • Ionian (same as major scale)

  • Dorian (natural minor with a raised ^6 tone)

  • Phrygian (natural minor with a lowered ^2 tone)

  • Lydian (major with a raised ^4 tone)

  • Mixolydian (major with a lowered ^7 tone)

  • Aeolian (same as natural minor)

  • Locrian (natural minor with lowered ^2 and ^5 tones)


Whether you permutate the major scale or lower/raise tones you will see that the sequence of whole steps and half steps is the same for each mode. In other words the whole/half step sequence is the same for the D Dorian mode of the C major scale and the C Dorian mode.



As a side comment...



It's true when you move up 6 or down 3 from the first note of the major scale (the tonic) you go the relative minor, or the natural minor scale, but keep in mind there are three inflections of the minor scale...




  • natural minor

  • harmonic minor (where the ^7 tone is raised a half step)

  • melodic minor (where the ^6 and ^7 tones are raised by half step)







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    Or it could be said the melodic minor is the parallel major with a lowered third...But melodic has two incarnations - the classical, where ascending is different from descending, and jazz melodic, where it's the same up and down.
    – Tim
    2 days ago










  • @Tim, I was tempted to answer that way: melodic minor is major with a lowered third. If figured that is the jazz conception (esp. because jazz uses modes of mel. minor.) But, I really dislike the 'classical' textbook asc/desc distinction with melodic minor. It simply isn't true. Direction doesn't make the distinction, but the prevailing harmony. If the harmony is dominant and the scale descends, raised ^6 and ^7 may be used. I think I'll post my own question re. the historic origin of the textbook description. I don't know what it is.
    – Michael Curtis
    2 days ago










  • Unfortunately, the exam boards seem to have a different concept from ours! Harmonic is from the harmony angle, melodic is from the way the tune itself meanders, and fills that 3 semitone gap without the jarring the harmonic minor would produce.
    – Tim
    2 days ago










  • So says the teaching. Anyway, I posted a new question music.stackexchange.com/questions/77060
    – Michael Curtis
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    Or it could be said the melodic minor is the parallel major with a lowered third...But melodic has two incarnations - the classical, where ascending is different from descending, and jazz melodic, where it's the same up and down.
    – Tim
    2 days ago










  • @Tim, I was tempted to answer that way: melodic minor is major with a lowered third. If figured that is the jazz conception (esp. because jazz uses modes of mel. minor.) But, I really dislike the 'classical' textbook asc/desc distinction with melodic minor. It simply isn't true. Direction doesn't make the distinction, but the prevailing harmony. If the harmony is dominant and the scale descends, raised ^6 and ^7 may be used. I think I'll post my own question re. the historic origin of the textbook description. I don't know what it is.
    – Michael Curtis
    2 days ago










  • Unfortunately, the exam boards seem to have a different concept from ours! Harmonic is from the harmony angle, melodic is from the way the tune itself meanders, and fills that 3 semitone gap without the jarring the harmonic minor would produce.
    – Tim
    2 days ago










  • So says the teaching. Anyway, I posted a new question music.stackexchange.com/questions/77060
    – Michael Curtis
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Or it could be said the melodic minor is the parallel major with a lowered third...But melodic has two incarnations - the classical, where ascending is different from descending, and jazz melodic, where it's the same up and down.
– Tim
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Or it could be said the melodic minor is the parallel major with a lowered third...But melodic has two incarnations - the classical, where ascending is different from descending, and jazz melodic, where it's the same up and down.
– Tim
2 days ago












@Tim, I was tempted to answer that way: melodic minor is major with a lowered third. If figured that is the jazz conception (esp. because jazz uses modes of mel. minor.) But, I really dislike the 'classical' textbook asc/desc distinction with melodic minor. It simply isn't true. Direction doesn't make the distinction, but the prevailing harmony. If the harmony is dominant and the scale descends, raised ^6 and ^7 may be used. I think I'll post my own question re. the historic origin of the textbook description. I don't know what it is.
– Michael Curtis
2 days ago




@Tim, I was tempted to answer that way: melodic minor is major with a lowered third. If figured that is the jazz conception (esp. because jazz uses modes of mel. minor.) But, I really dislike the 'classical' textbook asc/desc distinction with melodic minor. It simply isn't true. Direction doesn't make the distinction, but the prevailing harmony. If the harmony is dominant and the scale descends, raised ^6 and ^7 may be used. I think I'll post my own question re. the historic origin of the textbook description. I don't know what it is.
– Michael Curtis
2 days ago












Unfortunately, the exam boards seem to have a different concept from ours! Harmonic is from the harmony angle, melodic is from the way the tune itself meanders, and fills that 3 semitone gap without the jarring the harmonic minor would produce.
– Tim
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Unfortunately, the exam boards seem to have a different concept from ours! Harmonic is from the harmony angle, melodic is from the way the tune itself meanders, and fills that 3 semitone gap without the jarring the harmonic minor would produce.
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So says the teaching. Anyway, I posted a new question music.stackexchange.com/questions/77060
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So says the teaching. Anyway, I posted a new question music.stackexchange.com/questions/77060
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